Thread: DMM Kamihime Project: SSR Awakening Predictions

Originally Posted by Inb4whales

Then what is the point of even categorising them (apart form having gacha sales) in the first place?
The Devs were clearly trying to look smart by trying to make a KH that relies on debuffing enemy's offensive capabilities and spin her as a Defense KH but it clearly isn't working. Which brings back to my point that if I'm a Dev, I'd fix that with her AW.

As I said, it's vanity at this point. Unless they have some kind of hidden system where you get bonuses for using certain hime type combinations, it's meaningless to use it as a factor for this discussion.

Let me put it into perspective for you to understand my point easier then.
Lets say under the assumption that we are fighting a boss that lacks self buff or enemy debuff.
Sol's 2/3 abilities are useful. Heal is never a bad thing. ATK down C frame at 20% means it's already providing the highest about of ATK down even for its very rare frame.

Now look at Raph.
1st ability- Have a low chance to land the charm. If it fails, it might as well be as useless as Sol's 2nd ability due to its low damage on this particular boss. Even if it did, there is a second set of chance that the boss won't even get stunned. I've had many experiences where despite having the charm icon on the boss the entire time, it was never stunned and the charm ran out instead.
2nd ability- This can be overwritten by a higher ATK debuff frame like Joan's or Eros. We're not taking those two into account? Fine. Sniper shot+Sol+Jormun/Yaga summon. 50% ATK debuff reached. This ability has just lost all of its usefulness when a boss isn't in rage.
3rd ability- This is the only ability that is useful on her with a consistent chance of removing an orb charge unless the boss have a high debuff resist.

Let's be honest here. I'd rather take Belobog over Raph who-
1- provides the exact same ATK debuff and can cap with Sniper+Sol+15%.
2- a defensive buff even when the cleanse is not needed.
3- a regen which most Light himes don't provide since they often give straight up heals instead.

This is the kind of "useless" that I'm talking about on Raph. If I have both Raph, Michael and Meta, I'd rather go with a lineup of Sol, Diana, Belobog and Michael/Meta instead.

You are talking about quote-unquote "gameplay" in a game where you throw all your abilities onto the boss and smack it till it dies? A game where you can't even command your braindead KHs like "Hey the boss is going to rage and kill you with a burst next turn. Don't attack and defend this turn."
This isn't even a proper argument to begin with.
I mean sure, if we're going to talk about how Gaia or Titania have a different method of gameplay on when you use their abilities or time it to get the most out of Tit's burst, then fine. I'll give you that.

But good god, when has there ever been a time when people don't use Raph's charm ability or Thor's paralyse the moment they came back off cooldown? Sure you can say its better to save Thor's for a boss rage or when a debuff resist down is in place but let's be honest here. Both abilities don't need that much though put into it and THAT WAS MY POINT for comparing the two. They both do the exact same thing of dealing a small amount of damage and trying to stun a boss but the other KH does it better. That is my argument. Balor's doesn't even fall anywhere into this category because it has somewhere around a 5% chance of proc rate even WITH debuff resist down.

Because she is? Even Belobog as an SR is more useful for me than Raph.
If I force myself to think, the only reason I'd pick Raph over Belo would be that she has much more base stats for being an SSR and deals more burst damage.

Again, Sol was just an example for a specific subject, but I guess it's my fault for using one of the best himes as an example instead of someone else since it's hard to overlook her skills.

As for Raph, I've had plenty cases where dizzy's effect worked many times and plenty where it hasn't, you're only looking at times it doesn't. The skill itself does nearly triple damage of a regular hit and depending on the fight, there can always be a reason to hold out on using the skill not for the effect but for pushing phases. For me, this skill is her weakest aspect.

For her second skill, using Jorm or Yata, only applies to some scenarios. Content like Advent Ragnarok or even something like to wanting solo a Raid Ragnarok, you most likely won't have either ready before an overdrive. Even in the scenario you don't need the atk down effect from her skill (cause say you're using Joan, her ex skill or even both Raph and Belebog or you've cycled through enough turns already for Jorm/Yata) then you can simply hold off on the skill if it isn't in rage and you'll always have the skill ready for when the bosses transitions into rage for maximizing its effect and this effect can easily equate to an extra 1~3 turns worth of regular attacks towards the rage meter depending on the boss. And if you're going to throw Jorm and Yata in this discussion, with Raphael, Sol, Sniper Shot and -50% being the cap, you have option of replacing them with different eidolons for even more utilities. Jorm might be difficult because she has good stats even without her effect unless it's a gacha eidolon but Yata is easily replaceable with her low stats. The only time this skill would ever completely lose its effect on a boss would be if you want to stay in raging mode as long as you can for mechanic reasons as well as another source of an a-frame atk down.

Her last skill is her best skill. Combining this with Black Propaganda and her 2nd skill, she becomes the best way for light teams to manage boss overdrives and rage phases and is the main reason to use her over the others because handling with overdrive charges and phases of bosses is the biggest mechanic to deal with right under debuffing it.

If you prefer Belebog, then by all means, you can use her instead, I agree she's a good hime, but like you said yourself, she's more useful to you but for me, Raph is by far more useful to me for the reasons explained above. Inferior is something she isn't.