Thread: DMM Kamihime Project: SSR Awakening Predictions

Originally Posted by Neverbloom

With how many overpowered SSR's Water have I don't think many need an Awakening compared to other attributes, maybe Aphrodite, Shiva and Poseidon?
For those three water has Nike Unleashed, Cthulhu, Ryu-Oh, Snow Raphael, and they all can be treated as "Water Cores"

If I were to be a fair Dev in DMM I'd fix Thunder, that yes is better with Mammon but nothing to be proud of...

Theres nothing to fix in thunder right now in dmm (baal+mammon lol), its one of the strongest elements along with fire, on the opposite side water is one of the worst with the least dmg potential, water is indeed in need of an awakening asap to even compete.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Theres nothing to fix in thunder right now in dmm (baal+mammon lol),--

What.

Baal doesn't seem good at all, how exactly is she any good?

Originally Posted by Slashley

What.

Baal doesn't seem good at all, how exactly is she any good?

30% thunder rst down.

Originally Posted by Ikki

30% thunder rst down.

Yes, lasts for 90 seconds with an extremely long cooldown. Plus, if you already have Mammon, then it's effectively just something to give you better success rate with debuffs.

Although I guess it does open up the possibility of not using Dartagnan (which hurts Mammon a lot). But then your Atk debuffs suck and you absolutely need to micromanage a short debuff to perfection all the time or you'll do no damage.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, lasts for 90 seconds with an extremely long cooldown. Plus, if you already have Mammon, then it's effectively just something to give you better success rate with debuffs.

Well, she can reset all her abilities every 8 turns, so it's probably not that bad. And watching awakened brahma double and triple attack with 200k+ just looks disgustingly broken on videos.

Originally Posted by blubbergott

Well, she can reset all her abilities every 8 turns, so it's probably not that bad. And watching awakened brahma double and triple attack with 200k+ just looks disgustingly broken on videos.

Yes, she has guaranteed combo 5/8 turns. Meanwhile, compare to SSR Cybele who has guaranteed combo 100% of turns... while also providing a debuff.

Brahma has to fight for her slot in Thunder teams. She is powerful when Awakened sure, but I'd see primary use being her -30% self damage cut which is up 5/6 turns. That just makes her insanely tanky.

Originally Posted by Ikki

Ugh you just use the debuff and your skills, you reset them and leave the thunder rst without using until you need it again and there you go, not every kh needs to have a braindead kit, --

Micromanagement slows things down. Slowing things down is not only annoying, but also makes things more likely to go wrong.

Also, the usage of Baal's debuff goes like:
Turn 1: Use debuff
Turn 1: Reset CD
Turn 5: Use debuff
Turn 8: Reset CD
Turn 10: use debuff
Turn 15: oh fuck debuff isn't ready yet
Turn 16: Reset CD
Turn 16: use debuff
Turn 21: oh fuck debuff isn't anywhere near ready, I guess there goes the DPS!

You can wait a couple of turns at 16 instead of resetting right away, but then your DPS takes a dip at that point instead. Either way, you lose time to micromanagement while still not getting 100% uptime. Sure, if you're doing content where you can just auto for five turns in a row with zero risk involved (like back when -70% Atk debuff Accessory quests were a thing) then that's hardly a problem. But in such content, you don't need to use anything at all, really.

Originally Posted by Ikki

but i guess its better to pass on a 30% thunder rst down and cover the def downs with snipe and ambush lul (sarcasm btw).

Well, the simple fact is, that way is more damage output, less damage taken AND less micromanagement. So... yeah. Sounds good to me.

Also, I don't think you understand how Mammon works. Her primary function is to give C Def down, but her secondary function is to deal ridiculous amounts of damage thanks to her passive which she gains from Snatch stacks. And her third function is her nuke which requires Snatch stacks as well. So, if you're dropping Dartagnan, you drop Mammon to nothing but a C Def down Hime. There's a reason why Dartagnan is the go-to Soul of Thunder builds, and I don't really see Baal having a slot if you have access to Mammon.

Turn 21 what? nothing else to add, you are too outdated on stuff specially on thunder, baal actually replaces mammon cause d'art mammon loses in dmg vs the new thunder setup (baal morgan/shingen brahma aphro), but keep playing the stalling game stacking atk downs if that works for you while others kill stuff in a few turns by dealing dmg how its supposed to be.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, lasts for 90 seconds with an extremely long cooldown. Plus, if you already have Mammon, then it's effectively just something to give you better success rate with debuffs.

Although I guess it does open up the possibility of not using Dartagnan (which hurts Mammon a lot). But then your Atk debuffs suck and you absolutely need to micromanage a short debuff to perfection all the time or you'll do no damage.

Ugh you just use the debuff and your skills, you reset them and leave the thunder rst without using until you need it again and there you go, not every kh needs to have a braindead kit, i didnt even mention how broken aw brahma is with the stamina thing, but i guess its better to pass on a 30% thunder rst down and cover the def downs with snipe and ambush lul (sarcasm btw).

Oh, speaking of awakened Brahma:
When she bursts, does the damage get dealt first, then she gets the ousei/vigorous buff, or does she get buffed first so the burst would benefit from it?

it got only half the duration of regular debuffs, with 90 seconds. she might reset her skill cooldowns, but its still a huge punch in the dick.