Thread: [Event 28] Crucible of Combat vs The Demon Envy (Union Event)

High-level Experts are nice because you can just hit auto-battle, come back 15min later when it's dead, and grab your 100k PP. Do that 25x and you've hit your PP quota for the event. Ultimates aren't PP-efficient because the higher-level ones will kill off your group quick on auto-battle. And if you're not auto-battling, you're wasting massive amounts of time.

Sort of agreed even though high level Experts will destroy your team if you just auto (let's say this happens after level 90) therefore the biggest advantage that Experts have in relation with Ultimates is the fact that even if said Expert is level 126 (as it's currently in my Union for the day) or even higher, if you use your skills wisely you can go a whole battle without getting touch by a raid skill, that dismissing that skills like Amaterasu's will make you potentially take zero damage around 50% of the time.
Saying that the amount of experience that you'll get it's humongous in relation to what most people can solo (regarding Ultimate that is really tough after 100 even if you're there manually doing it of course) and it only takes around 5 minutes.

Originally Posted by J4fusion

but then again EX is easier.

I mean this part of my words, saying y'all are right. But I'm keeping my goal of 200 ULT. I'll keep in mind to keep doing EX for PP.

Originally Posted by Neverbloom

Sort of agreed even though high level Experts will destroy your team if you just auto (let's say this happens after level 90) therefore the biggest advantage that Experts have in relation with Ultimates is the fact that even if said Expert is level 126 (as it's currently in my Union for the day) or even higher, if you use your skills wisely you can go a whole battle without getting touch by a raid skill

Nah, we're in the lvl 230s currently, and we still just auto on 'em. 2-3 ppl auto'ing on each finishes 'em. Last night we got into the 300s and we were still auto'ing them then too. Basically, it's just a waste of time to sit there and manually burn through millions of hp each time. It's easier to just auto with 1 or 2 other ppl and then you get to do other stuff meanwhile. Or maybe we're all just lazy here. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's why I stated multiple times "Solo" on the message that that one complements but oh well lol

Originally Posted by Neverbloom

That's why I stated multiple times "Solo" on the message that that one complements but oh well lol

Yea, and we "solo" auto up to the lvl 200s just fine. Your post mentioned they destroy you past lvl 90. So if you're having trouble auto'ing, the solution is to just add more ppl in. Saves you time and effort instead of having to sit there having to manual them. Though I guess ours is the lazy way after all. :>

Meanwhile, I can just barely solo up to around 75.. and that's only by doing manual. Auto I get destroyed around 50. The sad part is, I'm around R70 and I can tell I should be able to do more.. really need to work on my shit.

FeelsTerribleMan

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Meanwhile, I can just barely solo up to around 75.. and that's only by doing manual. Auto I get destroyed around 50. The sad part is, I'm around R70 and I can tell I should be able to do more.. really need to work on my shit.

FeelsTerribleMan

Hmm, you probably already know what I'm about to type up, but hell, I got the urge to ramble on about something in case some lurkers out there are less experienced...

So manually soloing expert is fundamentally composed of:
1. How much healing you have (particularly party-wide) compared against how much you can lower normal overdrive damage. That determines how long you can last; theoretically forever as long as your healing's good enough. +healing is critical here, although that's dependent on the union cooperating. -atk is also crucial as always here.

2. How reliably you can force the demon to do normal overdrives instead of raging; preferably at least 5 turns in between overdrives, as that's the cooldown for the Andromeda line of souls' healing spells. Of course, swap normal and raging around if the raging overdrive is the preferred one to be hit by. But for Envy, you want normal.
Being able to reliably force a mode change (ie normal->raging and raging->stun) in one round of regular attacks is the crucial first step here. This one's basically an issue of your stats and how much -def you're packing.
After that, you'll need either overdrive meter reduction skills (but not a lot of kamihime have those) and/or direct damage skills (plenty of these on the other hand!). You want the direct damage stuff to be able to hit hard enough to force the demon out of stun. Why out of stun? Regular attacking a boss out of stun for them to then take a turn still advances their overdrive meter by one orb. Using abilities to wake up a boss from stun means that a turn hasn't passed yet, so that the overdrive meter doesn't fill yet. Having the option to do either should allow you to decide whether the next overdrive to happen will be normal or raging. Direct damage skills can still be used to help you force the other mode changes, of course. It's about planning head 2-3 turns in advance. Unfortunately, dazzle can really screw with predictions here :/

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Yea, and we "solo" auto up to the lvl 200s just fine. Your post mentioned they destroy you past lvl 90. So if you're having trouble auto'ing, the solution is to just add more ppl in. Saves you time and effort instead of having to sit there having to manual them. Though I guess ours is the lazy way after all. :>

I wasn't referring to me since I didn't disclosed or said "I" I think, those two messages were referring to the average player; they're directed to them to "help" a bit, perhaps? personally I don't auto at all in union/raid events but the last time I was being serious in one and using my main team I recall being able to solo up to Lv 164 Ultimates (In the last event, I've been without my phone during this and my pc is too shitty to even consider raiding here)
I don't think it's the lazy way or something along those lines, I'm just not a multitasking guy myself and I genuinely enjoy killing bosses in this game but I get where you're coming from

Originally Posted by Neverbloom

-- that dismissing that skills like Amaterasu's will make you potentially take zero damage around 50% of the time.--

... what? Amaterasu? She has +30% Def, which is TERRIBLE. That's basically the same as -15% Atk, with half the uptime. Hell, even the R Hime Perun probably cuts more damage than that with her -25% skill...

... ... not saying that Amaterasu is terrible as a whole, I mean her -20% B and Regen are good (particularly in Union events) but...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Meanwhile, I can just barely solo up to around 75.. and that's only by doing manual. Auto I get destroyed around 50. The sad part is, I'm around R70 and I can tell I should be able to do more.. really need to work on my shit.

FeelsTerribleMan

Well, it's a good thing that it's a UNION event so you don't need to solo it all then, yes?
Being able to kill high level stuff is a matter of building your numbers high enough, and also about how your team is built. Like people with Sol in this event are in an entirely different position than people without.