Quote Originally Posted by sanahtlig View Post
So I ran the numbers, and to put this in perspective:
Running a LV30 Vine, with a team that normally is capable of -40% DEF, increases damage nearly as much as running a +100% eidolon (on top of an existing +100% friend eidolon). She's THAT good. The debuff seems to have a pretty high accuracy rate too; probably higher than 70% given that it landed 4/4 times for me on Thunder element with Vicissitudes of Fortune.

This must've been a way to rebalance the game after the ATK down debuff nerf. By providing all players with a means to end fights quicker, it compensated for taking away the ability to live forever.
Snipe shot + amon debuff is 45% right? So it it still worth it to run vine?

Remaining team is awakened susanoo, hades, sol.