Miracle ticket thread

[Unregistered]

1. doesn't even apply until after... many, many months. There's what, two Miracle Tickets before that?

Saraswati is so bad it's utterly disgusting. I thought I'd finally get some use out of her in Tower, but nope. She didn't Combo attack once over nine turns. Not. ONCE.
Sure, I was unlucky, but Saraswati without a synergistic Hime (which is literally just Vohu in Water?) is just trash tier.

No idea what kind of "tash" water team you have.
But I can do my 4T PF Burst w/o any problems. She was with Ashy my MVP for F15 in Tower.

For me she is nice. She could need a AW to become really amazing.

Utterly disgusting is Nike U and light Nike and I mean it literally.
Furthermore Nike U is just shit. Nice for a new player but for stronger people, she is dead weight.

If you want that she does more DATA, wait for acc set-effect.

[Gludateton]

I have read enough posts on this forum to know that there are two types of Kamihime: amazing and trash. Still I find it funny to say the least.

Saraswati is so bad it's utterly disgusting. I thought I'd finally get some use out of her in Tower, but nope. She didn't Combo attack once over nine turns. Not. ONCE.
Sure, I was unlucky, but Saraswati without a synergistic Hime (which is literally just Vohu in Water?) is just trash tier.

And Water Osiris (why I didn't pull her), that's obviously not meta, but pretty good defensive combo.
As for Saraswati herself: she's no Titania AW when it comes to BG control, but still she makes my water team one of the fastest one (thunder would probably still be faster because Noel/Krishna/Cyclops). In general I find her really useful and tbh I don't get your hate for her.

Utterly disgusting is Nike U and light Nike and I mean it literally.
Furthermore Nike U is just shit. Nice for a new player but for stronger people, she is dead weight.

Nike U will get some buffs next year though. And I wouldn't call either of Nike useless, they have their respective uses, albeit they're not meta (saw lot of people using Light Nike for second dummy event, it does make perfect sense though).

[Slashley]

Furthermore Nike U is just shit. Nice for a new player but for stronger people, she is dead weight.

Heals are heals. Heals make your runs safer. A healer with offensive debuffs? Sounds good to me.

Of course, in content where debuffs don't work it's not all that good, but heals are still heals. And that content is still the minority - even though it seems to be the majority of the end-game to come.

I have read enough posts on this forum to know that there are two types of Kamihime: amazing and trash. Still I find it funny to say the least.

Not really? Most Himes have their uses. As I said, Saraswati works well with Vohu due to guaranteed Triple making her being able to literally get 10 attacks during Saraswati's Elem+ buffs. Making Saraswati literally... well... TEN times better.

... and then there's Hime like pre-rebalance Tyr, or pre-Awakening Acala, or Jupiter, which requires such extreme circumstances to work that you probably never find a good use out of them. And Saraswati belongs in that bin without Vohu. Speaking of that bin... let's go back to this:

Utterly disgusting is Nike U and light Nike and I mean it literally.

Uh, Light Nike is the absolute Queen of long combat fights. If your teams are perfect and you never, ever fight long fights then she belongs in the bin. Otherwise... Light Nike is outright amazing. Like, amazing enough that I'd probably swap to running every GO with my pathetic Light team just because Light Nike would make that team actually the strongest team that I'd have.

And Water Osiris (why I didn't pull her), that's obviously not meta, but pretty good defensive combo.

Yeah, fair enough. I was thinking of the Elem+ buff more than anything, but that damage cut works too. Of course, assuming you're fighting Fire.

-- In general I find her really useful and tbh I don't get your hate for her.

Because literally any other SSR (or even Water's SR Queens Belphegor and Triton) would do a better a job than her. Until Saraswati gets an Awakening or a rebalance, her buffs just aren't anywhere near powerful enough to justify her presence in a team. Three turns per buff, six turns cooldown, two targets (one of which is set to be Saraswati whether she needs it or not). If you have three fast Hime in a team (with Saraswati being one of them), then Saraswati can bring the last one up to speed. But how many fast Water Hime do we have? Well... ... none?

[MagicSpice]

i can sort of see where slashley is coming from, cause my only mileage out of Saraswati has been where she was helping others catch up for full burst prep.

plus since my water team still relies on a lot of SR, I tend to use them more over her unless I can get a burst off with that team for sure, since i'm bogged down so much with heal/cleanse kami for water. If it wasn't for Aphrodite's TA buff, I'd likely have no use for Saraswati right now either...

but do gotta give that burst increase some credit. use it on herself and that's half the bar instantly...

[Gludateton]

Because literally any other SSR (or even Water's SR Queens Belphegor and Triton) would do a better a job than her.

At what ? Because I don't see anyone in Water that would speed up FB as much as Saraswati. 30% DA, 20% TA and +25 BG for self and one party member is no joke. I am pretty much always using party of Herc/Saraswati/Shiva/Atalanta/Triton and difference between this and my light team with literally everyone being slowpoke is huge. And no, till now I didn't even once thought about replacing Saraswati with Belphy in this team.

Until Saraswati gets an Awakening or a rebalance, her buffs just aren't anywhere near powerful enough to justify her presence in a team. Three turns per buff, six turns cooldown, two targets (one of which is set to be Saraswati whether she needs it or not). If you have three fast Hime in a team (with Saraswati being one of them), then Saraswati can bring the last one up to speed. But how many fast Water Hime do we have? Well... ... none?

Her buffs are powerful, that's why they're limited to her and one other party member. Still that's enough to bring faster FB from garbage level to something actually doable.

Yeah, fair enough. I was thinking of the Elem+ buff more than anything, but that damage cut works too. Of course, assuming you're fighting Fire.

That's one of her good things though, 50% fire res with 3/6 uptime ? In some niche uses it's really powerful, in others it makes Saraswati (and one party member) less prone to dying (heal helps here too).

I'm not gonna try and convice you she's good or anything, but putting her in a trash bin... well, you are free to do whatever you want. I find her to be really decent (without Vohu or Osiris), you seem to have a little less 'positive' experiences with her.

i can sort of see where slashley is coming from, cause my only mileage out of Saraswati has been where she was helping others catch up for full burst prep.

That's her primary use though: to make team faster (not only catch up, combo rate buff is strong). Aside from that you have 50% fire res and some heal, but that's not really why you use her (it obviously helps).


P.S. Also, her character design is masterpiece. Including musical instrument, swan and peacock are really nice touches.

[MagicSpice]

That's her primary use though: to make team faster (not only catch up, combo rate buff is strong). Aside from that you have 50% fire res and some heal, but that's not really why you use her (it obviously helps).


P.S. Also, her character design is masterpiece. Including musical instrument, swan and peacock are really nice touches.

Honestly, her combo buff rate doesn't seem to do much for me... but maybe that's just luck. I get more combos off when I use either Shingen's buff, Aphrodite's buff, or an eidolon giving a combo rate increase (like two tiamats, one as my main and one as a friend). not sure if you can compare this, but even managarmr's summon effect forces at least one of my light characters to combo nearly every turn thus far. But AQ5 has been giving me a lot of combo rate effects (both double and triple) so maybe this could change.


And yeah, I do like her design actually. Aphrodite's and Snow Raph's too.

[Cobblemaniac]

Honestly, her combo buff rate doesn't seem to do much for me... but maybe that's just luck. I get more combos off when I use either Shingen's buff, Aphrodite's buff, or an eidolon giving a combo rate increase (like two tiamats, one as my main and one as a friend). not sure if you can compare this, but even managarmr's summon effect forces at least one of my light characters to combo nearly every turn thus far. But AQ5 has been giving me a lot of combo rate effects (both double and triple) so maybe this could change.


And yeah, I do like her design actually. Aphrodite's and Snow Raph's too.

When it comes to RNG something can always seem to perform worse than it actually does.

Saras's DATA buff isn't Titania or Tish tier... but it's something for an element that's otherwise pathetically slow.

[Unregistered]

I'm firmly in the Saras is decent camp. She has some uses and is more helpful when you have a stronger team trying to get even stronger, but not particularly amazing herself, so can't really carry the day or anything. Eventually, you'll get to a certain point where her heal and protection buff is enough to cover anyone from dying, and you can transition into a more offensive team. That's where Saras starts becoming good, while Nike just keeps falling further behind (even with the new buff she just got - don't get me wrong, it makes her better, but it doesn't really fix the main issue).

That said, I'd still say don't use an mtix on Saras unless you know for sure you're going to be maining water (have rudra, will pick up vohlu later, etc...). I'm sure there's a better pick out there.

[Ikki]

Because literally any other SSR (or even Water's SR Queens Belphegor and Triton) would do a better a job than her.

Those 2 sucks ass leading fb along your soul, making them utter trash in that regard, while saras is arguably the best water unit in that scenario.

If you have three fast Hime in a team (with Saraswati being one of them), then Saraswati can bring the last one up to speed. But how many fast Water Hime do we have? Well... ... none?

And thats what makes saras good, all water units are slow af except Ea Aw but yeah... shes the only water unit that can keep up with shingen/herc, that alone makes her good, and as a bonus she speeds up another unit on your team, unless you are fine with Nike U cucking all your full bursts (since that was the comparison in the first place), the difference between saras in first spot vs nike U in first spot is not even reasonable to consider, we all know the answer.

[Slashley]

At what ? Because I don't see anyone in Water that would speed up FB as much as Saraswati. 30% DA, 20% TA and +25 BG for self and one party member is no joke. I am pretty much always using party of Herc/Saraswati/Shiva/Atalanta/Triton and difference between this and my light team with literally everyone being slowpoke is huge.

And thats what makes saras good, all water units are slow af except Ea Aw but yeah... shes the only water unit that can keep up with shingen/herc, that alone makes her good, and as a bonus she speeds up another unit on your team, --

Okay, so let's say that Saraswati has sped up two Hime. I mean, one of those abilities is going to do nothing (or next to nothing) half the time, but hey.

Now what?

You're still waiting for the last Hime. What exactly did you accomplish?
In other words, bringing another Hime with a different skillset is simply going to benefit you more than a Hime who will do nothing for your team.

I'd also like to add that there's more to this game than just how fast you can Full Burst. Yes, that's certainly a direction we are heading towards (at least until they inflate the numbers so much that that alone won't cut it anymore), but we're not quite there yet. And we won't be for a long, long time. Even when we ARE there, only omega whales will be able to do it on multiple elements.

And no, till now I didn't even once thought about replacing Saraswati with Belphy in this team.

You should probably try her, since Belphegor makes Rage bars a complete joke. Note that there is only Hime who is equally good at reducing Rage bars - Chemobog (at least until August 2018, I haven't checked the last four months). Most of those Rage bar reduction abilities are quite weak, but Belphegor's is just insane.

Of course, you can be at a point in the game where you can Full Burst Rage bars entirely out. This has very much been a thing since PF, after all. But if you ever find yourself struggling, just bring Water and use the SSR quality SR.

Her buffs are powerful, that's why they're limited to her and one other party member.--

That's one of her good things though, 50% fire res with 3/6 uptime ? In some niche uses it's really powerful, in others it makes Saraswati (and one party member) less prone to dying (heal helps here too).

Are they powerful? Since 2/5 members having 50% damage cut against one element (Fire) only doesn't sound very powerful to me. SSR quality is generally bringing 30% (Snow Raph, Raiko, Pluto) or 40% damage cuts (Raiko, Karin, Gaia, Water Osiris) against ALL elements, to ALL party members.

And what good is it going to do to shield two party members? Or rather, one plus Saraswati. If it's AoE, you're going to get badly hurt. If it's single target, you're taking a big gamble without Kushinada, or a small gamble with Water Osiris.

That leaves her with:
35% Elem+ buff which would be impressive... if it was the full team. For the record, on Full Burst, that's about 14% Elem+ buff teamwide. SRs generally buff for 15%, and SSRs for 15% or 20%. So it's decent, but certainly not powerful without synergies.

Her heal and +25 Burst. Decent, but again, two out of five targets. And +25 Burst on 6 turn CD, for two members, is... 8 Burst/t. SR quality is about 10 Burst to all on 8 CD so 6.25 Burst/t, and SSR quality is around 20 Burst to all on 8 CD so 12.5 Burst/t. Two notes though: the "quality" is all over the place in this stat, and maths doesn't entirely cut it here thanks to Bursts feeding +10 Burst to all below. Overall, this is the buff that makes or breaks Saraswati.

Finally there's the Combo+ buff (30% Double, 20% Triple). This increases the amount of hits/t from 1.14 to 1.84 for three turns for two people, and with the cooldown it's to 1.49 hits/t on average. For comparison, Herc runs at 1.64 (but will gain 19.91 Burst/t due to his buff during, so is still faster than Saraswati buffed targets) and on average 1.5 hits/t. This would be really broken if it was teamwide, but again... it just isn't. As it is? It's decent.


Not a single one of Saraswati's abilities scream powerful to me. At all. If you have Vohu, that will basically solve Saraswati's problems - there now is a member in the party who is actually fast and thus the fourth party member won't bottleneck you anyway (assuming that the Combo+ actually does something, which will remain an issue until Tiara set bonus). Or if you want to tank, Water Osiris actually compliments Saraswati quite well (which was news to me). Without either of those? ... yeah, I'm still saying that Saraswati belongs in the trash bin.