Miracle ticket thread

[KitKat]

Oh? Would you care to explain how so?
I still haven't seen the debuff immune content that the debuff doomsayers have been warning us about, so Amaterasu seems perfectly fine by me. At least, for now.

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.

This... isn't true. Character Atk and Elemental Atk are equally powerful, but you want more of the one you have less of. And if you're running with a Friend P2W Eidolons (which you will against any content that matters), an offensive Soul weapon (which you should) and elemental advantage (which you might), then Character > Elemental.

I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.

[Slashley]

Ammy is falling out of the meta in the sense that someone with the ideal fire team already wont run her any more and there are better options coming out in the next few months.
Considering that i dont think its reasonable to recommend Amaterasu for MTing at this stage.

Oh? And would you care to explain this "ideal fire team" then?

I understand how ele/char attack works but Ele atk> Char atk eidos is still the general rule to follow , the situation you described doesnt change that.

You mean that in 99% of the cases when things matter... doesn't count somehow? Care to explain how on that one as well?

I wanted to point out that while Slashley's explanation is correct, KitKat's answer about not worth spending eidolon orbs on Cthugha is also generally the correct one for a different reason. That is Adramelech gives 45% elemental at MLB, while Cthugha only gives 40% char atk at MLB. Adramalech's atk stats are also much better than Cthugha. Cthugha also gives 20% HP so you might want that if you can't get your hp high enough to tank an OD or two.

For fire, usually ppl go for dps though, assuming your assault value is at least 117 (9 x SR disaster weapons) Adramelech comes out ahead in every conceivable scenario except the one Slashley pointed out, where you have friend Belial + soup weapon + elemental advantage, where Cthugha might come out ahead but only slightly.

You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

[dreamlitz]

You never want to use Orbs on Cthugha though, since Crom's Crotch has the same effect with WAY more stats. Good enough stats that you might not even regret it once she becomes available in Epic Quests. Maybe.

Nitpick, but Adramelech is also better than Crom Cruach in firepower. So, I guess we all agree that Cthugha sucks, 'cos there're better options, just which option is most suitable for OP...

[Ztzzpz]

Hi everyone, first post for me here.

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?
Here the teams

Wind:
Eidolon: Jabber lvl40
Soul: Hercules (starting to farm for shingen)
SSR: Azazael, Gaia (AW), Odin (AW), Titania (AW), Set, Isis
Line-up: Azazael, Gaia, Oberon, Set
I started a defense team and now i'm playing more offense. Do i need to get Cybele to replace Oberon? Or going to get Cu and switch burst build?

Fire:
Eidolon: Ifrit lvl40
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same except i change Beelzebub for Themis
Love to play a rampage team, even if it's not the more efficient at the moment. I think i could improve it by taking Ares or Svarog but i'm not sure if it's a good move. Maybe fire Amon is a good one too but she's lacking of combo attack empowerment.

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl40
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva, Lakshmi
Line-up: Neptune, Cthulhu, Gabriel, Shiva (just hit shiva and lakshmi, did'nt set my line-up yet)
Trying to make a burst party. I'm lacking of survivability so maybe pick an healer?

Thunder:
Eidolon: Huang lvl55
Soul: Hercule
SSR : Tyr (AW)
Line-up: Tyr, Baal, Cyclop, Nemesis
Not a strong team, dont think it's a good idea to spend my MT here.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl70 or Yule Goat lvl100
Soul: Hercule thinking to get Shingen
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi
Line-up: Takemi, Artemis, Sol, Michael
I got some strong hime recently and i didn't play light a lot since. I think it's maybe my strongest team but i need advices to set the line-up and maybe to spent the MT here. Maybe going for Tishtrya can be a good one? I'm thinking to farm for shingen's weapon instead of Herc.

Dark:
My wors team, only got SSR Chernobog so...

Thanks a lot for your anwsers.

[Zendo]

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?

This is something I think everyone should always ask: ''With what team do you enjoy playing the most?'' So best aesthetics/wafiu's etc. Answer that for yourself and chose your team accordingly!

I don't know anything about Wind and Thunder so I'll let others answer that! Also from what I have heared Dark isn't good unless you have the 100% Eidolon.

Fire:
Eidolon: Ifrit lvl40
Soul: Morgan
SSR : Sonsaku, Beelzebub EoH, Dakki, Amateratsu
Line-up: Same except i change Beelzebub for Themis
Love to play a rampage team, even if it's not the more efficient at the moment. I think i could improve it by taking Ares or Svarog but i'm not sure if it's a good move.

I main Fire and have read a lot about it from different people and different perspectives. Don't take Ares, it's not MT worthy, you use Ares if you don't have anyone else. If you want to go with Fire pick Svarog for a consistent 30% ATK Buff and insane Ability Damage. Uriel has insane burst, but I believe Svarog holds more value (and she has twintails). UA Svarog is insane as well!

Water:
Eidolon: Fenrir lvl40
Soul: Shingen
SSR : Neptune, Cthulhu, Shiva, Lakshmi
Line-up: Neptune, Cthulhu, Gabriel, Shiva (just hit shiva and lakshmi, did'nt set my line-up yet)
Trying to make a burst party. I'm lacking of survivability so maybe pick an healer?

If you are really lacking survivability look into Aphrodite, but you yourself are probably the best judge in that.
If you wanna go a burst build you will probably need Asherah (Burst Damage Stacking Frame +30% at lvl 75 every 3 turns, Stacks consumed upon use)
Asherah also has ATK UP A Frame, Shiva has ATK UP A Frame as well. So you will have a good 20% ATK buff for a long time.

Light:
Eidolon: Thunderbird lvl70 or Yule Goat lvl100
Soul: Hercule thinking to get Shingen
SSR : Sol(AW), Michael (AW), Eros, Artemis, Takemintaka, Tsukuyomi
Line-up: Takemi, Artemis, Sol, Michael
I got some strong hime recently and i didn't play light a lot since. I think it's maybe my strongest team but i need advices to set the line-up and maybe to spent the MT here. Maybe going for Tishtrya can be a good one? I'm thinking to farm for shingen's weapon instead of Herc.

Tish yes.

Hope this helped!

[dreamlitz]

Two questions: how to improve my line-up ? Which kami should i choose with my MT?

I think light is your strongest, though your wind is very solid, too. Your light himes cover a lot of bases though and is extremely versatile if you learn how to use them, so I would go with light. Also, LB2 Thunderbird is very good, she's like a mini-fluffy and is as good as you can get until you draw fluffy herself (if ever, I'm still waiting for mine.)

MT: definitely Tish.

For most light builds, Mike AW and Tish will be the backbone, then you decide what you need most for a given encounter. Nice thing about light is that every SSR hime fits a certain role almost perfectly:

Sol - use her when you need group heal and/or deal with annoying debuffs and/or deal with annoying buffs
Eros - use her when Sol can't deal with some annoying debuffs (primarily paralyze and ability seal; zombie can be a problem for Sol as she heals before she cleanses; Eros can also deal with doom if your hime is near full health though I usually use Sol for that, too)
SSR Arty - frame A def down and nuke (frame B is already covered by Tish btw)
LT - elemental def down, mob control (AoE blind) or dark nuke (Tish + Arty + LT = def down cap)
Take - short encounters, debuff resistant or low hp bosses (basically every advent rag or lower and low lvl UE battles - Take will make short work of them.) Note that though it takes practice, but you can use Take effectively for long encounters, too.

If you ever have the good fortune to pull more light SSRs, note that they're generally very easy to slot in and out depending on what you need:

Lugh (released in several days) - C frame def down and insane DPS machine (like Uriel AW level insane) - should be your next mtix if you stick with light
Metatron (AW) - burst repair - put her in the first sub slot, so if accidents happen, she can burst instantly and not break your full burst. With AW, she's actually worthy of taking Arty/LT's spot for debuff resistant stuff.
Frey - rage punisher
Raphael (AW) - ultimate staller with orb eat, dizzy and BP (with AW coming soon)

For what you have, assuming you mtix Tish, a beginner friendly lineup would be Tish, Mike, Arty, LT. Once you learn to use Take, I would use her instead of Arty or LT and either Ex Ambush or rely on Herc's axe to make up for the def down.

Don't be afraid to go into battle without Sol, since Tish's single target heal is a full-health heal (for 20% cost of Tish's hp.) With someone like Take, you usually finish the enemy before they finish you, and Tish can deal with those random consecutive DATA proc on the same hime emergency heal situations.

The typical ordering would be Tish, Michael AW, then the other two you pick - Tish casts TA buff on burst bottleneck (usually the soul, but if you're using Herc or Shingen, it might be Michael.) If you're using Take or draw someone like Lugh, you might want her in front of Tish since they're both faster than Tish when they use their abilities.

When you have so many light SSRs, it should be easy and fun to adapt your light team, since they all fill different roles and fill they very well. For some other elements, when you try to swap one hime out, it's like you have to resolve a Rubik's cube to cover all the buffs and debuffs again. Not so with light. I enjoy building light teams so much that I even composed a poem for it:

Mike plus Tish equals burst machine.
Pick two more and you have a great team.
They all have their roles and don't step on each others' toes.
Choosing is easy as pie then you kiss your enemies good bye.

[KitKat]

Oh? And would you care to explain this "ideal fire team" then?

Uriel>Svarog>Amon with one flex slot where you can choose between Ares AW,Acala AW(situational),Dakki Amaterasu and IMO Ares AW is generally the default pick.

Anyone who doesnt have one of those 3 should never pick Ama as a MT and even if they do its STILL not a good idea because shes not even in the top 3 of situational picks AND she will be even more irrelevant when Fire Frey and Vagahn come out.

You mean that in 99% of the cases when things matter... doesn't count somehow? Care to explain how on that one as well?

That situation is not even close to 99% of the cases but ive come to realise that char atk is alot better then i realised for newer players so ill concede that point.

[Slashley]

Uriel>Svarog>Amon with one flex slot where you can choose between Ares AW,Acala AW(situational),Dakki Amaterasu and IMO Ares AW is generally the default pick.

Anyone who doesnt have one of those 3 should never pick Ama as a MT and even if they do its STILL not a good idea because shes not even in the top 3 of situational picks AND she will be even more irrelevant when Fire Frey and Vagahn come out.

You'd run with 0 debuffs?
I mean, there is content out there where that works, but I doubt that that's the optimal path for most content.

That situation is not even close to 99% of the cases but ive come to realise that char atk is alot better then i realised for newer players so ill concede that point.

What "newer players"?
Let's say you have 9x 21% Assault FLB weapons. That makes you hit 189% Assault.
You run elemental advantage, a friend P2W Eidolon (100%) and offensive Soul weapon. That's 175% Elemental.

Which is better for you, Adra or Crom's Crotch?
And mind you, this is with the quiiiiite unlikely scenario that you're running 189% Assault.

[Unregistered]

You'd run with 0 debuffs?

You still need debuffs for solo content?

Wasting one MT for a KH just for a SS replace is BS.
Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Furthermore Cerberus has a guaranteed 15% def down which means you would already have 45% def down if you use Fire Freyr and a Cerberus support.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.
Any of those 3 paired with Fire Freyr is already solid

And tbh if you need debuffs get Hercules and run SS.
you are better off to run Fire Amon than Amaterasu.

Anyway if you guys are sane then don't waste a MT for a useless unit which will become completly useless soon.

[Zendo]

I probably should not get in on this but why not.

You still need debuffs for solo content?

I, the person who asked for advice, do ye. Very much so, my account isn't nearly as strong as yours. As other players kindly pointed out I'm in the early game. Debuffs matter for me, that being said it doesn't help versus debuff resistant bosses; then brute force is the way.

Next MT you can get the strongest fire Unit => Fire Freyr
She has 30% fire RST down, she is faster than Uriel, can hit cap too and does way more spike dmg.

This answers my question if Frey becomes available next MT, so thank you!

Also glad to hear I don't have to pick up Uriel and can get Frey instead.

Obv Amaterasu looks really garbage in comparison
You'd have 50 def down, but you'd have a slowpoke, and debuffs aren't even necessary, the 30 down is a bonus with Frey anyway
considering that Frey is just a god tier unit in general.

Three things:

1. I believe that Amaterasu and Frey are incomparable to some extent. They serve different purposes and Amaterasu holds different utility alongside different stages of the game. She suffers from diminishing returns the further you advance in the game.
2. I believe that for me Amaterasu holds more value than to you. Simply because we are in different stages of the game. I still value healing when my Kamihime have 6k HP on average. That being said, I understand that healing isn't always necessary. Here I like to draw on what dreamlitz said earlier and I agree with.
3. I believe Amaterasu is a slowpoke late game and when debuffs don't matter as much. So, in your situation. I still rely on my precious debuffs D:

then you decide what you need most for a given encounter

That it is nice to have the option to swap certain Kamihime out based on your needs. Amaterasu has healing, if I need healing I need Amaterasu (I have Sol so I can potentially use her, as using a MT to substitute might be a waste).

Amaterasu is beginner friendly, Im a beginner. So she holds value, but her value diminishes as I progress and Amon retains her value. I understand that point.

Therefore use your current MT for Svarog, Uriel or Fire Amon.

U mentioned earlier that Uriel can be replaced by Frey, therefore this MT (for me specifically) Amon holds more value.

This is a 25% damage increase, which means that the other four characters are basically covering up for Amaterasu's lack of offensive output already.

The way I understand it is: ATK gets buffs from several INDIVIDUAL modifiers, Character ATK/Elemental ATK, debuffs increase all that damage by 25%. Therefore it holds value in non-debuff resistant/immune bosses. But I can also see their point, because THEY have insane DAMAGE. I DONT, therefore I value debuffs! And struggle against debuff resistant bosses because I lack damage. Both of you have points but in different scenario's.

(and I guess Fire Frey too, though I haven't looked her up)

Her burst gauge is twice as big, 30% resistance down but consumes a flat 50 (I think, the wiki didnt mention a %) of burst gauge, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY: she is a transformer!!! She is the true Last Knight (movie reference)

However - that doesn't mean that you should underestimate just how damn good Amaterasu is. Yes, she NEEDS content where she can apply her debuffs to work. But in debuffable content, she continues to complete Fire. She is an option for all those who already have Uriel and Svarog, and damn it

+1

Heck no Im skipping the loli with the annoying voice and getting Frey/Vahagn next MT; but thats next MT!

This MT is either Amaterasu or Amon for me at least. Im in the early game so I believe Amaterasu holds significant value, but if I need healing I can sub her for Sol potentially if I pick Amon. I don't know its hard to decide which is better. Mainly because Amon is wearing a maid outfit. I wanna waifu this MT really bad, plus a lot of people say she is valuable later on. But I need healing grrr.