On persistent social toxicity in this forum

[Slashley]

--you both aren't backing down,--

Just to clarify, am I correct to assume that "both" refers to me as the second person?

As someone said before, there wouldn't be a need for someone to explode in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness like a few unregistered users, BakaHentai, Ikki or I did in the past if there was no trigger over it and two of those three timea the trigger was misinformation by a pair of special members that make this community the least pleasant to others when you give it as factual information when it doesn't even work for you.

Define "least pleasant to others"?

Also, regarding misinformation, there's always the option to argue back. That's the thing though - argue. As in, present arguments. There's always a cause for an effect, and explaining that reason is the point of an argument. "Because I said so" is not an argument, neither is "because somebody else said so and agreed with me."

An "explosion in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness" is not part of the argumentation process, nor does it contribute in any way, shape or form towards the correction of misinformation nor the "pleasant to others" factor. And yet, you've done just that. Why?

[Marigold]

Just to clarify, am I correct to assume that "both" refers to me as the second person?

Exactly but pointing at people is mean, so I won't do it(?

Define "least pleasant to others"?

Alright, let me elaborate on this one.
As I said and quoted from sanahtlig's message:

Moderators don't just exist to censor heated arguments into submission. They exist to remove repeat offenders who make the community less pleasant for everyone, when necessary. In my opinion, that's actually the more important function.

This ^ doesn't only apply to insults, bad behavior or bragging, it also does to missinformation, fake assumptions, nor opinions/experiences disguised as definitive strategies over a topic and it's why a few discussions have started, because instead of doing it on a separate thread the speculation is given as a definitive answer to the OP on the same thread, opinions over the metagame tiers that haven't even arrived to our version given as blatant proof other than just mere speculation or even sharing a non-optimal strategy as a must do for players when asked for one and desguising it as the only true way.
This sadly makes the community least pleasant to others other than the " repeated offenders".
No one's ways are perfect and if both parties are involved in the process it is because both were wrong at some point or still are, that's how democracy, justice and mediation works in most world countries.


E: The strategy you corrected and I agreed with being accepted openly more than the opinionated one you gave:

In fact, my lasts runs on Catastrophe, with Arthur, where much better that the first ones with Mordred and trying to land debuff like usual, so I can partially agree with some people

Relying on debuffs on wrag when wrag is more about team composition (having dakki) and grid, saying that baalU isnt good even tho top dmm players use her in every thunder team, basing all your arguments on the def/atk debuff cap, when plenty of top tier teams dont even care if they have atk down or not (some even lack the 50% def down until herc bursts), just to name a few, all of this above is missinfo coming from you.

Your best bet for farming the wind rag is to just run a fire team with heals and defense buffs/damage cuts. You might not be able to solo it like I can, but it would sure as hell be far more consistent for getting mvp, vs running an off-element team and praying for any debuff to land.
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...The only way your water team will do well is by getting lucky with debuffs. A fire team with Joan/Andro and a good grid will consistantly outpreform other elements. Fire is the least reliant on debuffs of all the elements. That's why it does so well against wind.

since this rag is a bitch in terms of debuffs landing, you rely on dmg cuts

you wont kill wind ragna with off-element easily (let alone solo it), sorry but thats not happening (unless you are on Maru's lvl of whaling and even so im doubtful), relying on debuffs is your first mistake, she has lower base defense but high debuff rst for something, people are getting good results using joan with fire, but since you arent using fire, you are losing on 25% reduced dmg, all in all, fire is the best choice by far, relying on debuffs for dmg and specially atk downs for stalling is bad (you want dmg cuts against this boss), im afraid you are experiencing the downsides of mono element path.

*Also note the whole BakaHentai Mono vs Rainbow discussion* it came to a giant fight because you advised on something that isn't 100% proved or agreed on by the community and thus shouldn't been advised to begin with but discussed on another thread.



E: People regarding misinformation on HBC as poorly reputed ignorance regarding Kamihime that by extent makes the place the least pleasent to be in:

Tbh both ways are wrong, sana and slash thinking they know stuff when they dont (advicing on content they dont clear/struggle) and players speaking truth but in a harsh manner, so first thing first:
1- Stop advicing on content you cant clear/struggle, that just spreads the missinfo further and increases the bad reputation hbc already has in terms of kh ignorance.
2- Choose the words wisely when speaking trush, as some1 said, without insults.
If point 1 is satisfied, people wont have any need of calling some1 out and will give advice as such without insults, cause you know, they get pissed when people think they know stuff when they actually dont.

For me the main solution for this is learning to ignore both responding-wise and debunking-wise when the responses are unsatisfactory or just plain wrong this to avoid first misinformation and later insults

We have many players with various kind of spending habits. You can't simply make guides/suggestions in general because the world of a free-to-play player and someone who spends only for SSR stuff is already so different...
...And you can't just simply gloss it over with "They're whales, their opinion doesn't matter." (excuse me for oversimplifying it).

Also, regarding misinformation, there's always the option to argue back. That's the thing though - argue. As in, present arguments. There's always a cause for an effect, and explaining that reason is the point of an argument. "Because I said so" is not an argument, neither is "because somebody else said so and agreed with me."

About this, correct, there's always the option to argue back or explain in a dedicated thread but not the same in which speculation shouldn't have been posted in to begin with, also doing this in a respectful manner to try and meet both conditions.

The latter is an okay way to think if the evidence of the argument being the correct one wasn't there to begin with, I never advice over things I don't comprehend or clear, it would be bad of my part, even speculation should be done in a matter of obviousness while asking for a better opinion on the same response if on the same thread, and if I've done otherwise I deeply apologize about it since I don't feel it could help that current user who asked in any way, shape or form but confuse them.

An "explosion in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness" is not part of the argumentation process, nor does it contribute in any way, shape or form towards the correction of misinformation nor the "pleasant to others" factor. And yet, you've done just that. Why?

I did and you're correct, that's why I accepted I was wrong when doing so as quoted previously alongside my response for it

regardless of it; have a good one and maybe we both can learn from each other later, we were both wrong in our ways after all, you by sneaking your nose in something you don't understand and me by being unpolite and rude, cheers.

And here

...since a big number of players desert the game over being stuck at some point, a bad advice, a speculative one or a missinformed discussion about it can led to it, the fact that your friend was "correcting" a player that gave a good advice with a bad one was the main motivation behind it.

Now, what are your thoughts on it?

[gibberish]

First off, let me say I see no problems in what VeryVoodoo said in the topic that's linked. I don't know why or how that sparked this topic. If it had anything to do with the general discussion debate you two had over 'what's optimal', that's on you. It's a general discussion topic, not a only-answer-my-question topic. However, it doesn't mean I agree with either of you in that topic either.

Second, I am disappointed to see that preventing unregistered users from posting was the first action taken. It solves absolutely nothing. Literally. I say this because it took me less time to make an account than it took me to do the captcha needed to post as a unregistered.

Following that, the idea that unregistered users were part of the problem is completely asinine. It is registered users who go on about attacking each other and them again using an unregistered account to circle jerk the person they're attacking. There haven't been many, only 3 I can think of that would do so. But because it takes literally no effort to make an alt account on this site, forcing users to register changes nothing, existing users can make an alt account in an instant, they simply aren't called unregistered anymore.

I really don't want to jump the gun on this but the only problem I ever repeatedly see on these forums that needs to be addressed is Neverbloom's and Slashley's consistent arguments seen throughout various topics. There's no problem at all when it comes to correcting people if they post wrong information or make mistakes, but from my time on these forums, most of the time, it's just blatantly used as a excuse or chance to insult and attack the other.

As for moderation. I really hope that isn't given to someone who just happens to ask politely. There are very few people I would even recommend to give moderator powers on these forums, especially those who frequent the kamihime forums as the community here is very small yet seemingly so divided.

My opinion on the overall matter however, is that people are taking this far too out of proportion, but of course, in the end, my opinion probably doesn't matter since I'm just a random lurker forced to make an account just to post my thought.

[sanahtlig]

First off, let me say I see no problems in what VeryVoodoo said in the topic that's linked.

Neverbloom deleted his post right below VeryVoodoo's after I called him out, presumably in order to misdirect people like yourself (see Slashley's quotes of the missing post below mine). Also, remember that this is a pattern of behavior. Not just one incident.

[Kotono]

Alright, upon request - I have appointed Laventale with the ability to moderate discussion and, if needed, issue bans.

For now, I think there is still room for one more mod should anyone else want to accept the role.

My opinion on the overall matter however, is that people are taking this far too out of proportion, but of course, in the end, my opinion probably doesn't matter since I'm just a random lurker forced to make an account just to post my thought.

All I have done so far is what has been asked of me, both in PMs and in posts. There have been numerous cases of people taking advantage of being anonymous (at least, to those who can't see IP address) to do what they want. And it is not something that affects only this one forum area, all of them are subject to the same treatment.
Regardless, this does not mean the ability will never be restored. It is a privilege allowed as long as it is not abused, and discussions can be kept on a reasonable tone without interference from guest posters looking to cause problems.
I will leave the final decision up to the mod team - even if it is only one person for now. If he gives me the OK to turn it back on, then sure.

If people have opinions to share with me on this or any other matter, then please feel free. Openly or via PM are both fine. You can even use the "Contact Us" link in the footer, for those that don't want to register.
We also have the discord link that is in my signature. Can talk to me from there as well.

[Marigold]

Neverbloom deleted his post right below VeryVoodoo's after I called him out, presumably in order to misdirect people like yourself (see Slashley's quotes of the missing post below mine). Also, remember that this is a pattern of behavior. Not just one incident.

Funny guy, I deleted them since It was a mistake and Slashley didn't deserve such a harsh treatment but they're still in this thread, also I deleted them before you posted the comment, I don't care about you on any way shape or form or your misguided one sided opinionated posts, I would've even if this thread wasn't created.
You seem to preach on mediation and discussion but when you're confronting someone, be it civilizedly or in an aggressive manner you just ignore the opposite and flee; thus you aren't worth arguing or discussing with, funnily enough, yesterday two users said this exact words about you.

I'm just clearing this out because I don't want you or anyone misbelieving a one sided opinion like they normally do on this forum, regardless of it, we have lavantale to decide for it.

[sanahtlig]

If people have opinions to share with me on this or any other matter, then please feel free. Openly or via PM are both fine. You can even use the "Contact Us" link in the footer, for those that don't want to register.

We really appreciate you taking your time to help with this matter. I'm sure you're busy and sorting out disputes like this is probably tiresome. Thanks for doing your best to improve the community.

[Kirito94]

bootlicking and bitching 2stronk5me on this thread

[Kotono]

bootlicking and bitching 2stronk5me on this thread

Thanks for showing me what I need to do next.

Looks like it wasn't the first time for you in this same thread, either.

[Laventale]

Thank you for giving me this responsability! I'll do my best.