On persistent social toxicity in this forum

[Slashley]

--you both aren't backing down,--

Just to clarify, am I correct to assume that "both" refers to me as the second person?

As someone said before, there wouldn't be a need for someone to explode in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness like a few unregistered users, BakaHentai, Ikki or I did in the past if there was no trigger over it and two of those three timea the trigger was misinformation by a pair of special members that make this community the least pleasant to others when you give it as factual information when it doesn't even work for you.

Define "least pleasant to others"?

Also, regarding misinformation, there's always the option to argue back. That's the thing though - argue. As in, present arguments. There's always a cause for an effect, and explaining that reason is the point of an argument. "Because I said so" is not an argument, neither is "because somebody else said so and agreed with me."

An "explosion in a manner of unpoliteness and rudeness" is not part of the argumentation process, nor does it contribute in any way, shape or form towards the correction of misinformation nor the "pleasant to others" factor. And yet, you've done just that. Why?

[gibberish]

First off, let me say I see no problems in what VeryVoodoo said in the topic that's linked. I don't know why or how that sparked this topic. If it had anything to do with the general discussion debate you two had over 'what's optimal', that's on you. It's a general discussion topic, not a only-answer-my-question topic. However, it doesn't mean I agree with either of you in that topic either.

Second, I am disappointed to see that preventing unregistered users from posting was the first action taken. It solves absolutely nothing. Literally. I say this because it took me less time to make an account than it took me to do the captcha needed to post as a unregistered.

Following that, the idea that unregistered users were part of the problem is completely asinine. It is registered users who go on about attacking each other and them again using an unregistered account to circle jerk the person they're attacking. There haven't been many, only 3 I can think of that would do so. But because it takes literally no effort to make an alt account on this site, forcing users to register changes nothing, existing users can make an alt account in an instant, they simply aren't called unregistered anymore.

I really don't want to jump the gun on this but the only problem I ever repeatedly see on these forums that needs to be addressed is Neverbloom's and Slashley's consistent arguments seen throughout various topics. There's no problem at all when it comes to correcting people if they post wrong information or make mistakes, but from my time on these forums, most of the time, it's just blatantly used as a excuse or chance to insult and attack the other.

As for moderation. I really hope that isn't given to someone who just happens to ask politely. There are very few people I would even recommend to give moderator powers on these forums, especially those who frequent the kamihime forums as the community here is very small yet seemingly so divided.

My opinion on the overall matter however, is that people are taking this far too out of proportion, but of course, in the end, my opinion probably doesn't matter since I'm just a random lurker forced to make an account just to post my thought.

[sanahtlig]

First off, let me say I see no problems in what VeryVoodoo said in the topic that's linked.

Neverbloom deleted his post right below VeryVoodoo's after I called him out, presumably in order to misdirect people like yourself (see Slashley's quotes of the missing post below mine). Also, remember that this is a pattern of behavior. Not just one incident.

[Kotono]

Alright, upon request - I have appointed Laventale with the ability to moderate discussion and, if needed, issue bans.

For now, I think there is still room for one more mod should anyone else want to accept the role.

My opinion on the overall matter however, is that people are taking this far too out of proportion, but of course, in the end, my opinion probably doesn't matter since I'm just a random lurker forced to make an account just to post my thought.

All I have done so far is what has been asked of me, both in PMs and in posts. There have been numerous cases of people taking advantage of being anonymous (at least, to those who can't see IP address) to do what they want. And it is not something that affects only this one forum area, all of them are subject to the same treatment.
Regardless, this does not mean the ability will never be restored. It is a privilege allowed as long as it is not abused, and discussions can be kept on a reasonable tone without interference from guest posters looking to cause problems.
I will leave the final decision up to the mod team - even if it is only one person for now. If he gives me the OK to turn it back on, then sure.

If people have opinions to share with me on this or any other matter, then please feel free. Openly or via PM are both fine. You can even use the "Contact Us" link in the footer, for those that don't want to register.
We also have the discord link that is in my signature. Can talk to me from there as well.

[sanahtlig]

If people have opinions to share with me on this or any other matter, then please feel free. Openly or via PM are both fine. You can even use the "Contact Us" link in the footer, for those that don't want to register.

We really appreciate you taking your time to help with this matter. I'm sure you're busy and sorting out disputes like this is probably tiresome. Thanks for doing your best to improve the community.

[Kirito94]

bootlicking and bitching 2stronk5me on this thread

[Kotono]

bootlicking and bitching 2stronk5me on this thread

Thanks for showing me what I need to do next.

Looks like it wasn't the first time for you in this same thread, either.

[Laventale]

Thank you for giving me this responsability! I'll do my best.

[Unregistered user]

Tbh, both parties should chill a bit before posting or just have the willing to talk and share experiences without getting involved personally. Both parties are playing a game I'm exhausted to see everywhere. One plays the game where they thinks they are right, comes out to be a bigmouth and loose every way of rightness in the discussion (have to say I saw Neverbloom say sorry but in his/her particular way); and the other party just play in a clever way, that is just using the tools they have at hand to crush the other party having or not the correct answer to the matter. Your problem? You cant step aside your personal behaviour and have a free toxic debate about a topic that can be seen under a lot of different ways, and maybe, it points out one of you have the right answer or both are wrong. As I said, I'm tired of seeing this happening always when a debate comes out.

We really appreciate you taking your time to help with this matter. I'm sure you're busy and sorting out disputes like this is probably tiresome. Thanks for doing your best to improve the community.

This is using a low blow to the other party, being nice towards the one in charge to have a better image. Not saying that Kotono isnt doing a great work and we should thank him/her, but this isnt the time to do so, "clever party". And you should be open to other people thinking different from you and not turn all into a drama.

"Bigmouth party" hope you get unbanned or come back again because you have some good points in your arguments, but your mouth plays you bad sometimes. To give you a point, you said sorry, but you should try to say it more openly. As a say we have in my country "Ask for forgiveness is for wise people" and you shouldn't be ashamed to recognize you made a mistake as we all can make a mistake sometimes.

Feel free to alineate me, but as I said in this post or in another, I was an unregistered and just came sometimes in search of some info or strategies that I could not see by myself.

[sanahtlig]

This is using a low blow to the other party, being nice towards the one in charge to have a better image. Not saying that Kotono isnt doing a great work and we should thank him/her, but this isnt the time to do so, "clever party". And you should be open to other people thinking different from you and not turn all into a drama.

It wasn't. I thanked Kotono for selecting a moderator to mediate this and future disputes and imposing a technical control to help mitigate abuse. Neverbloom appears to have gotten himself banned for using an alt account to try and hide his identity in defiance of the new policy--and this happened after my post.