Thread: Accessory Quest Rank 5 Discussion

The standard Water trio should fare as well as any other element--against its strong element, at least. You could make that into an Endurance build with Joan, or a Rapid Burst build with Athirat. The Rapid Burst build will require one of the Overdrive reductions or Charm to land, and if Cthulhu's misses she won't make the 2nd Burst without taking a hit or combo attacking. That's probably an acceptable risk--bit a risk nonetheless. You could also run Black Propaganda, but I'd be very hesitant to run a Water team without VoF and no elemental advantage.

Don't quote videos please. It slows the page loads.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Off element? Unknown. The good news is, HP Relic Joan with Water Raphael can drop damage by 90%. When combined with any Dragoon of the proper element (SR or SSR), you can mitigate 100% of damage... twice. That leaves you with... something like 18 turns to deal 7.5m off-element damage. Should be doable.

Something I forgot to mention initially is that due to the Rage cooldown penalty, there's only a 5T CD on the 2nd Overdrive. You have to get that up to 7 in order to block the second one. It's dangerous to assume that both your overdrive reductions will land. So you'd have to bring Black Propaganda, which means you can't bring VoF, and then you have to start playing the debuff gamble game.

Is there much leeway in r5 quests? I'm a little worried my secondary team wont be able to handle to farming accessories for my main element as they have had no miracle tickets used on em, thus imperfect unlike my main team who holds all my strong SSRs. Using an off element team for a r5 seems like it might be very difficult, unlike r4.

AQ4 was supposed to be really hard, but once we got used to it, it wasn't that bad.

Time will tell...

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Is there much leeway in r5 quests? I'm a little worried my secondary team wont be able to handle to farming accessories for my main element as they have had no miracle tickets used on em, thus imperfect unlike my main team who holds all my strong SSRs. Using an off element team for a r5 seems like it might be very difficult, unlike r4.

I'm doubtful that a secondary team would be as strong as your primary team without element advantage / disadvantage at play.

Originally Posted by Slashley

AQ4 was supposed to be really hard, but once we got used to it, it wasn't that bad.

Time will tell...

^This.
On the vid, the fight looks extremely tough because the guy is running a sustain build (without reaching -50% atk) + an off element KH, with only 12% def down trough eidolon, and no element advantage. His damage output is really low (its pretty low even according to Nutaku's actual standards).

Sanahtlig is talking about ppl squeezing the fight, but most of the time they are just overkilling the boss (Fire team with Shingen and x2 Bellial one shooting it without Mars' debuff, Light team with Nike going trough the rage phase without even using his 2 full burst, Water team with water Osiris not using his burst just to lol at the boss overdrive doing 0 damage, all of them without element advantage)
Just tip アクセ5層 on youtube and see by yourself

I wouldn't worry too much honestly. If your team is (or your teams are) properly levelled (and optimized if you're running a main team without element advantage) there is no reason to not clear it in the end

The problem is that most YouTube videos are from enormous whales. Like, the last boss "only" has 7.5m HP. That's exactly the burst damage cap, for off-element. So whenever you see somebody oneshot the bosses, you should be thinking "uh, is that realistically possible or not...?"

For non-whales, reaching damage cap is really, really, REALLY hard. Like, using a calculator, I could be using double Kirin (which I don't have) against Water, with a full SSR team (which I don't have), with -50% Def (which I don't have without Dartagnan) and I'd be able to reach 3.7m Burst WITH Provisional Forest.

Sure, my base attack and slightly my grid would improve over the many months before AQ5 comes here, but it's really difficult to imagine going above 5m Burst...

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Sanahtlig is talking about ppl squeezing the fight, but most of the time they are just overkilling the boss (Fire team with Shingen and x2 Bellial one shooting it without Mars' debuff, Light team with Nike going trough the rage phase without even using his 2 full burst, Water team with water Osiris not using his burst just to lol at the boss overdrive doing 0 damage, all of them without element advantage)
Just tip アクセ5層 on youtube and see by yourself

To which I pose the following questions, all for teams without elemental advantage:
What if you don't have limited SSR kamihime, a +100% eidolon, access to a +100% friend eidolon, or any MLB Gatcha SSR weapons?
What if your DEF debuffs miss?
What if your ATK debuffs and/or other debuffs (like overdrive extension, reduction) miss?
Do you have any way to ensure that any critical debuffs will usually land, especially against same-element?

That's the scenario I'm trying to plan and write guides for.

@Slashley
Yeah i agree with you, and i've never said the opposite. The fire guy was obviously a big whale and i don't expect any regular player to do the same thing. But mate, we are talking about someone one shooting a boss, he's not even playing anymore at this point.

What i'm saying is that, its hard content, not undoable content, and imo ppl are worrying a lot for nothing.

Look at this one (who is a whale as well) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syp1F-3f4Ys
He has better than average weapon grid for sure, but on the other side his team has nothing too fancy and is reachable trough miracle ticket (looks like mine; Artemis put aside), his Eidolons are obtainable trough events (he only has mlb Fafnir but on the downside, his friends eidolon is only 92%), his main eidolon is the 45% from raid, he is using Mordred, which isn't really the top damage soul, and doesn't have PF.
Despite all of this, it only takes 2 turns to get from 0 trough stun phase.

Now you, Slashley, are doing this.
Your weapon grid isn't that great but you optimize your team, either by doing a sustain build to be able to tank one overdrive, or doing a PF build to quickly nuke the rage phase.
Maybe your team comp isn't that great because you're a rainbow user, but then you're relying on element advantage.
It takes more turns for you to kill the boss, you're like "oh crap" when a debuff miss or one of your KH gets 3x hit, you'll die sometimes because of shitty RNG, but its not undoable.
AS you said, just as AQ4 actually is.

@Sanahtlig
Friend eidolon isn't really an issue. Even if no one wants to be your friend, lets say cause some ppl thinks you have a huge ego (don"t get triggered! i'm not one of them ), that's 3 quest per days only. You can still wait for a random to show up.
Debuff missing or bad rng in general is a problem, but its already the case. rng is rng... By that time, if your team doesn't include either Sphynx, Vof or debuff rate accessory on crucial KH to minimize the risks, it means that you did not prepare correctly.

edit : forgot 2 "L" among the post

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Debuff missing or bad rng in general is a problem, but its already the case. rng is rng... By that time, if your team doesn't include either Sphynx, Vof or debuff rate accessory on crucial KH to minimize the risks, it means that you did not prepare correctly.

Indeed, that is the case we're dealing with: using VoF/ accessories to optimise debuff landing, and even they themselves are RNG in their own right.

What I think Sana is trying to look for is a team build setup that doesn't rely (or at least heavily) on setting up a buff count that hits the debuff cap considering the miss rates. Given that such a team exists, RNG can't RNG you to lose the quest.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Look at this one (who is a whale as well) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syp1F-3f4Ys
He has better than average weapon grid for sure, but on the other side his team has nothing too fancy and is reachable trough miracle ticket (looks like mine; Artemis put aside), his Eidolons are obtainable trough events (he only has mlb Fafnir but on the downside, his friends eidolon is only 92%), his main eidolon is the 45% from raid, he is using Mordred, which isn't really the top damage soul, and doesn't have PF.

This is more convincing than other videos I've seen, although I have no idea what his weapon grid looks like--whether he has access to unusual weapons that most players wouldn't have. But relying on +100% eidolons isn't a viable long-term strategy that I could recommend for all players. If you're planning to run this 3x a day, and you only have time for 1-2 sessions a day, then having a +100% eidolon available every time isn't feasible.

However, with all of those caveats, AQ5 seems doable with full debuffs with the sort of standard builds we already use for AQ4--just maxed out with a full SSR team. The difference here is that debuffs will be more likely to miss. A Rapid Burst build would likely be more resistant to debuff RNG--if you can pull it off.