Thread: Accessory Quest Rank 5 Discussion

@Slashley
Yeah i agree with you, and i've never said the opposite. The fire guy was obviously a big whale and i don't expect any regular player to do the same thing. But mate, we are talking about someone one shooting a boss, he's not even playing anymore at this point.

What i'm saying is that, its hard content, not undoable content, and imo ppl are worrying a lot for nothing.

Look at this one (who is a whale as well) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syp1F-3f4Ys
He has better than average weapon grid for sure, but on the other side his team has nothing too fancy and is reachable trough miracle ticket (looks like mine; Artemis put aside), his Eidolons are obtainable trough events (he only has mlb Fafnir but on the downside, his friends eidolon is only 92%), his main eidolon is the 45% from raid, he is using Mordred, which isn't really the top damage soul, and doesn't have PF.
Despite all of this, it only takes 2 turns to get from 0 trough stun phase.

Now you, Slashley, are doing this.
Your weapon grid isn't that great but you optimize your team, either by doing a sustain build to be able to tank one overdrive, or doing a PF build to quickly nuke the rage phase.
Maybe your team comp isn't that great because you're a rainbow user, but then you're relying on element advantage.
It takes more turns for you to kill the boss, you're like "oh crap" when a debuff miss or one of your KH gets 3x hit, you'll die sometimes because of shitty RNG, but its not undoable.
AS you said, just as AQ4 actually is.

@Sanahtlig
Friend eidolon isn't really an issue. Even if no one wants to be your friend, lets say cause some ppl thinks you have a huge ego (don"t get triggered! i'm not one of them ), that's 3 quest per days only. You can still wait for a random to show up.
Debuff missing or bad rng in general is a problem, but its already the case. rng is rng... By that time, if your team doesn't include either Sphynx, Vof or debuff rate accessory on crucial KH to minimize the risks, it means that you did not prepare correctly.

edit : forgot 2 "L" among the post

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Debuff missing or bad rng in general is a problem, but its already the case. rng is rng... By that time, if your team doesn't include either Sphynx, Vof or debuff rate accessory on crucial KH to minimize the risks, it means that you did not prepare correctly.

Indeed, that is the case we're dealing with: using VoF/ accessories to optimise debuff landing, and even they themselves are RNG in their own right.

What I think Sana is trying to look for is a team build setup that doesn't rely (or at least heavily) on setting up a buff count that hits the debuff cap considering the miss rates. Given that such a team exists, RNG can't RNG you to lose the quest.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Look at this one (who is a whale as well) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syp1F-3f4Ys
He has better than average weapon grid for sure, but on the other side his team has nothing too fancy and is reachable trough miracle ticket (looks like mine; Artemis put aside), his Eidolons are obtainable trough events (he only has mlb Fafnir but on the downside, his friends eidolon is only 92%), his main eidolon is the 45% from raid, he is using Mordred, which isn't really the top damage soul, and doesn't have PF.

This is more convincing than other videos I've seen, although I have no idea what his weapon grid looks like--whether he has access to unusual weapons that most players wouldn't have. But relying on +100% eidolons isn't a viable long-term strategy that I could recommend for all players. If you're planning to run this 3x a day, and you only have time for 1-2 sessions a day, then having a +100% eidolon available every time isn't feasible.

However, with all of those caveats, AQ5 seems doable with full debuffs with the sort of standard builds we already use for AQ4--just maxed out with a full SSR team. The difference here is that debuffs will be more likely to miss. A Rapid Burst build would likely be more resistant to debuff RNG--if you can pull it off.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I have no idea what his weapon grid looks like--whether he has access to unusual weapons that most players wouldn't have

Well, with final lb, some gacha weapon have more than 3K atk (the max i've seen after a quick check on jp wiki is 3k4)

IF we can afford some LB material (i have no idea how much we can get with farming), then some KH weapon, which are supposedly easier to get, are around 3k atk when mlb (more or less) It also gain a buff on its skills, or get a new one, just as event weapons.

For example, Michael's spear hits 2k9 atk and gain defender.
Sol's gun is "only" 2k6 atk, but gain an interesting ascension skill.

That's why ppl should keep all the KH weapon they drop.

That being said, the guy on the vid i've linked has 57k atk. It doesn't seems that high to me.
If i compare with my account, i have 47k atk with 2/3 of my weapons being SR, shitty accessory (i only have a single one that isn't a ring or a SR, and i've been farming light AQ4 every weeks ), i miss two strong eidolons (namely Sphynx and Mii ).

The difference between the two of us is that i'll struggle to reach that on a single team, while he is running 6 teams this way.

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

Well, with final lb, some gacha weapon have more than 3K atk (the max i've seen after a quick check on jp wiki is 3k4)

I'm guessing that the weapon skills have a more significant impact on damage than the base attack increase. And I can't gauge those by looking at the ATK score.

can someone explain to me in the Light Versatile build video - why does Mordred have snipershot? isnt that overkill on the debuff?

That was a nice video, good to know off elements won't be as much of an issue as I was worrying about.

With 6 light SSRs and Mordred, I have 50.3k atk. I still have one weapon 2/3 break (a 2nd xmas sword), my Tsukyomi isn't max level and a couple accessory slots are still empty. Though still probably wouldn't break 52k atk. The difference between his damage and mines is tremendous though, like his Eros hitting 250k (@5:48) with her skill, ridiculous.

As for relying on 100% eidolons, I don't think that's much of an issue. You can just use a random players and if really dedicated, you can make an alt with it. I might for the light eidolon. Though if you noticed, he honestly didn't even need to use its full effect either, especially considering he didn't even use half of his sub eidolons in battle and still had 5 turns left before the overdrive. Meaning he had more than enough to reach the damage check and it seems once you get it into stun, you're basically done as the boss never left the state before it died.

Think my priority now for soul weapon is Mordred and Hercules.

Originally Posted by QXZ

can someone explain to me in the Light Versatile build video - why does Mordred have snipershot? isnt that overkill on the debuff?

To reach -50% atk/def with his party since he's not using debuff eidolons and possibly to help with clearing stage 1 trash faster since it targets all enemies.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

I'm guessing that the weapon skills have a more significant impact on damage than the base attack increase. And I can't gauge those by looking at the ATK score.

You were wondering what whales have access to. The only difference between Gacha and event weapon is the base atk. I guess the real damage difference comes from +100% eido and Heroic weapon (also proper accessory. I can already see the difference between my KH equipped with 9% atk and the others)

Originally Posted by QXZ

can someone explain to me in the Light Versatile build video - why does Mordred have snipershot? isnt that overkill on the debuff?

It's not overkill at all. It allows you to reach the debuff cap, which makes a real difference. Also compared to outrage, it has a shorter cd and hit multiple targets.

Originally Posted by Aidoru

you can make an alt with it. I might for the light eidolon
Think my priority now for soul weapon is Mordred and Hercules.

Aye! I will do the same. I wouldn't mind sharing our alt account like the poor man we are

Originally Posted by Aidoru

Think my priority now for soul weapon is Mordred and Hercules.

Atm i think about Hercules > Morgan > Mordred.

i guess i might change my mind depending on when Morgan's balance patch occurs.

fire doenst even need fb to stun the boss, AW Acala alone solves.