Thread: Updated Kamihime Project Rerolling Guide for New and Intermediate Players

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I disagree about going one element eidolon grid is worse. Going one element grid has benefit using the likes of hanuman, managram, anubis etc. Going one element eidos grid will benefit you with extra 10% eidos stats increase. So 2400 attack and 800hp if same element its automatically will become 2640 and 880hp.--

Yes, but what event Eidolons have 2400 Attack?

Let's see, it's:
None.

... well, shit. But if we're talking with +99s:
Sphinx (Light, 2118)
Tiamat (Water, 2262)
Fleurety (Wind, 2130, coming up in March)
Honerable mentions to Mii (Thunder) and Ikaros (Wind) who are just barely under 2400 at +99. Also, this list is only up until August.

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

Originally Posted by Slashley

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

Let's see, what wind eidos will come out from now on:
Lilim: 396/1596
Fleurety: 600/2130
Garuda: 558/1710
Hodur: 624/2010
Stolas: 678/1860

That's like... two eidolons below 1800 base ATK. Providing one will buy one copy of Kaiser, then lose in base ATK overall will be small.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, but what event Eidolons have 2400 Attack?

Let's see, it's:
None.

... well, shit. But if we're talking with +99s:
Sphinx (Light, 2118)
Tiamat (Water, 2262)
Fleurety (Wind, 2130, coming up in March)
Honerable mentions to Mii (Thunder) and Ikaros (Wind) who are just barely under 2400 at +99. Also, this list is only up until August.

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus
Icarus is higher than tiamat if used in wind both hp and attack. Icarus attack 2304 without 99
Compared to tiamat 2262 its higher
Fleurelty 2130 will become 2343 if used in wind itshigher than tiamat too. So all wind you mentioned is higher than the best event eidolon currently.

And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

The only one eidolon below 1800 attack you have mentioned was only lilim and thats only lack 40 point to reach 1800. I think its safe to buy ikarus in shop because its stronger than tiamat both hp and attack. Quetzal maybe weaker but has high hp and it will be covered by at least 4% each bonus by using in sub eidolon if using hanuman support. Plus 10% extra status by having same element with the himes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus--

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

Originally Posted by Slashley

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Slashley

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

And you should. From new eidolons Stolas has the least ATK stat (1860), but if you add 10% increase (2046) it's really close to second highest ATK eido coming up (2052, first is Fleurety btw). Single element grids will be a thing, especially when new eidos will get their increase per sub-eido raised from 4% to 8%.

Originally Posted by Slashley

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this,[/URL] you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

Indeed but having extra 4% for base attack 50k is stronger than another 300 base attack.

It isn't possible to get lower see even ikarus without +99 is higher than tiamat and tiamat is best eidos so its impossible for ikarus to lose even in stats.
The only reason it can be worse its because you swap +99 and add not dark 99 eidos and very bad too. Try to compare +99 with +99 dark. Assuming you make a dark eidos grid and see which one better. +99 also should become +109 if its same eidos i think so its bigger boost if the eidos have stats increase.

Can you elaborate what you compare we will count it because without knowing what you swap its impossible to compare and find the mistakes.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Anubis and Managarmr have a base increase of 80% for Dark Attack or Light Attack respectively at all Limit Breaks before applying their bonus per Eidolon, which is 4-8% depending on Limit Break (4% per Eidolon at 100, 5% at 105, 6% at 110, 7% at 115, and 8% at 120.) Hanuman and co. work a bit differently in that their bonus per Eidolon is 4% each regardless of Limit Break, with their base increase affected instead and growing by 5% per Limit Break.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

Anubis and Managarmr have a base increase of 80% for Dark Attack or Light Attack respectively at all Limit Breaks before applying their bonus per Eidolon, which is 4-8% depending on Limit Break (4% per Eidolon at 100, 5% at 105, 6% at 110, 7% at 115, and 8% at 120.) Hanuman and co. work a bit differently in that their bonus per Eidolon is 4% each regardless of Limit Break, with their base increase affected instead and growing by 5% per Limit Break.

Thanks. So Anubis and Managarmr are actually still useful for a grid (like mine right now) that has only a single dark or light Eidolon in it as they still give me 80% dark/light attack. For each Eidolon I replace that goes up by 4%-8% and the friend Eidolon's HP/ATK stats aren't actually factored into my current ATK and HP so I don't lose any base ATK if I was to switch out my main (not that I have one to switch to anyways).

Thanks.


Dejnov.