Thread: Updated Kamihime Project Rerolling Guide for New and Intermediate Players

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Again, you're seriously overselling Hanuman.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Again, you're seriously overselling Hanuman.

I disagree about going one element eidolon grid is worse. Going one element grid has benefit using the likes of hanuman, managram, anubis etc. Going one element eidos grid will benefit you with extra 10% eidos stats increase. So 2400 attack and 800hp if same element its automatically will become 2640 and 880hp. That doesn't cover 20% more passive from opponent eidolon. If you have hanuman the extra benefit would be at least 40% more extra elemental buff from eidolon. 40% elemental attack is big and 10% extra stats mostly have covered the status decrease from using weaker status eidolon but many wind eidolon has strong stats too so it isn't a problem.

Going one element grid has benefit using the likes of hanuman, managram, anubis etc even just as friend support'.
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Each same element eidolon with hime will give you 4% elemental attack if using hanuman and co as support. 4% elemental attack is big we compared strongest event eidos so far against strongest wind eidos so far which is obtainable through shop.
Example tiamat versus icarus. Tiamat attack 2262 vs icarus 2094. But icarus is wind if using wind hime icarus become 2303. So its become 2262 vs 2303 conclusion icarus attack is better than tiamat if using in wind team. We compare tiamat hp vs icarus hp. Tiamat hp 516 vs icarus hp 516. But icarus is wind so its become 568. In this case also icarus stats still better than tiamat the strongest event eidos in terms of status.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I disagree about going one element eidolon grid is worse. Going one element grid has benefit using the likes of hanuman, managram, anubis etc. Going one element eidos grid will benefit you with extra 10% eidos stats increase. So 2400 attack and 800hp if same element its automatically will become 2640 and 880hp.--

Yes, but what event Eidolons have 2400 Attack?

Let's see, it's:
None.

... well, shit. But if we're talking with +99s:
Sphinx (Light, 2118)
Tiamat (Water, 2262)
Fleurety (Wind, 2130, coming up in March)
Honerable mentions to Mii (Thunder) and Ikaros (Wind) who are just barely under 2400 at +99. Also, this list is only up until August.

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

Originally Posted by Slashley

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

Let's see, what wind eidos will come out from now on:
Lilim: 396/1596
Fleurety: 600/2130
Garuda: 558/1710
Hodur: 624/2010
Stolas: 678/1860

That's like... two eidolons below 1800 base ATK. Providing one will buy one copy of Kaiser, then lose in base ATK overall will be small.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, but what event Eidolons have 2400 Attack?

Let's see, it's:
None.

... well, shit. But if we're talking with +99s:
Sphinx (Light, 2118)
Tiamat (Water, 2262)
Fleurety (Wind, 2130, coming up in March)
Honerable mentions to Mii (Thunder) and Ikaros (Wind) who are just barely under 2400 at +99. Also, this list is only up until August.

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus
Icarus is higher than tiamat if used in wind both hp and attack. Icarus attack 2304 without 99
Compared to tiamat 2262 its higher
Fleurelty 2130 will become 2343 if used in wind itshigher than tiamat too. So all wind you mentioned is higher than the best event eidolon currently.

And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

The only one eidolon below 1800 attack you have mentioned was only lilim and thats only lack 40 point to reach 1800. I think its safe to buy ikarus in shop because its stronger than tiamat both hp and attack. Quetzal maybe weaker but has high hp and it will be covered by at least 4% each bonus by using in sub eidolon if using hanuman support. Plus 10% extra status by having same element with the himes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus--

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

Originally Posted by Slashley

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Anubis and Managarmr have a base increase of 80% for Dark Attack or Light Attack respectively at all Limit Breaks before applying their bonus per Eidolon, which is 4-8% depending on Limit Break (4% per Eidolon at 100, 5% at 105, 6% at 110, 7% at 115, and 8% at 120.) Hanuman and co. work a bit differently in that their bonus per Eidolon is 4% each regardless of Limit Break, with their base increase affected instead and growing by 5% per Limit Break.