Thread: Updated Kamihime Project Rerolling Guide for New and Intermediate Players

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes, but what event Eidolons have 2400 Attack?

Let's see, it's:
None.

... well, shit. But if we're talking with +99s:
Sphinx (Light, 2118)
Tiamat (Water, 2262)
Fleurety (Wind, 2130, coming up in March)
Honerable mentions to Mii (Thunder) and Ikaros (Wind) who are just barely under 2400 at +99. Also, this list is only up until August.

See the little problem here? Chances are high that your Wind Eidolons will be closer to 1500-1800 base Atk, which can be increased to about 1800-2100.

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus
Icarus is higher than tiamat if used in wind both hp and attack. Icarus attack 2304 without 99
Compared to tiamat 2262 its higher
Fleurelty 2130 will become 2343 if used in wind itshigher than tiamat too. So all wind you mentioned is higher than the best event eidolon currently.

And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

The only one eidolon below 1800 attack you have mentioned was only lilim and thats only lack 40 point to reach 1800. I think its safe to buy ikarus in shop because its stronger than tiamat both hp and attack. Quetzal maybe weaker but has high hp and it will be covered by at least 4% each bonus by using in sub eidolon if using hanuman support. Plus 10% extra status by having same element with the himes.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You forget to add 10% increase in icarus--

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

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And assuming we only use hanuman as friend support. How are you so certain 4% elemental attack is not more than enough to overlap the status decrease. you

Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

Originally Posted by Slashley

... yes. Because your (or some other Unregistered's) original argument that a 2400 Atk on-element turns into 2600 Atk. So I used 2400 base, which there are none of.Because I actually did the math for Anubis lately. I've made a damage calc for this, you know.

The result was, swapping in Dark Eidolons resulted in a loss of damage. I got NEARLY back to where I was if I was running double Anubis though, but that's impossible for me. Or did it just barely go above? Eh, it was +-500 in 40k Atk at double Anubis.

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

I wanted clarification on something you said earlier. How is the Anubis/Mangarmr calculation done? Is it 16% elemental per dark/light eidolon in your grid (which means you need 4 or 5) out of the 6 slots dark/light or is the math different?

Dejnov.

Anubis and Managarmr have a base increase of 80% for Dark Attack or Light Attack respectively at all Limit Breaks before applying their bonus per Eidolon, which is 4-8% depending on Limit Break (4% per Eidolon at 100, 5% at 105, 6% at 110, 7% at 115, and 8% at 120.) Hanuman and co. work a bit differently in that their bonus per Eidolon is 4% each regardless of Limit Break, with their base increase affected instead and growing by 5% per Limit Break.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

Anubis and Managarmr have a base increase of 80% for Dark Attack or Light Attack respectively at all Limit Breaks before applying their bonus per Eidolon, which is 4-8% depending on Limit Break (4% per Eidolon at 100, 5% at 105, 6% at 110, 7% at 115, and 8% at 120.) Hanuman and co. work a bit differently in that their bonus per Eidolon is 4% each regardless of Limit Break, with their base increase affected instead and growing by 5% per Limit Break.

Thanks. So Anubis and Managarmr are actually still useful for a grid (like mine right now) that has only a single dark or light Eidolon in it as they still give me 80% dark/light attack. For each Eidolon I replace that goes up by 4%-8% and the friend Eidolon's HP/ATK stats aren't actually factored into my current ATK and HP so I don't lose any base ATK if I was to switch out my main (not that I have one to switch to anyways).

Thanks.


Dejnov.

Sure thing and right they're pretty powerful on their own, even without their bonuses they'll provide a stronger boost than any other Eidolons of their respective elements, for now.

Originally Posted by Slashley

You can live in the far future as much as you want, but you're still selling a 100% Eidolon against a 100% Eidolon. Yes, Hanuman is slightly better... if you can fulfill the requirement of Wind Eidolon Grid without sacrificing base Atk. Hint, you can't.

In a year, Hanuman is somewhat better. 120% Hanuman against 100% Hraes is certainly a damage increase, but again, going to 140% will require a Wind Eidolon Grid. Even if you do go 140% Hanuman, hell, even if you go DOUBLE 140% Hanuman, the damage increase when compared to double 100% Hraes is barely enough to cover the 16% extra damage you get from Hraes being able to get your Def debuffs from 40% to 50%. Of course, this doesn't apply to debuff immune content.

Again, you're seriously overselling Hanuman.

Hanuman has her own Summon effect, applying a Counterattack buff that you needn't worry about missing, whereas Hraesvelgr's debuff has a low hit rate that will only be exacerbated by enemies getting more resistant or immune to debuffs.

1 year is not far enough into the future for me. The ideal Wind Eidolon grid would consist of Hanuman with 5 +99 Level 100 Gale Kaiser Dragoons. For this you'd need 25 copies of Gale Kaiser Dragoon/Imperial Chaldeas. If you're a space whale then you can speed up the process, but if not then once you have your core platoon of SSR Wind Kamihime you can Miracle Ticket copies of Gale Kaiser Dragoon until you get there. If Hanuman gets crept in this time, you'll still have nice stats and be ready for the 240-300% Wind attack-boosting Eidolon that depends on commensurate Wind Eidolons that may come out by 2037. There's no indication of Kaisers getting swept yet, but if they do you can always get whatever that is and supplement them with the pretty nice stats of your Gale Kaiser Dragoon legion until you get the new stuff.

If you miss a Wind Union it's not a huge deal, by 2037 there'll be much more fly SSR Wind weapons as well as a few Wind Union event repeats for as many of the weapons from it as you need.

This is gold.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

If Hanuman gets crept in this time, you'll still have nice stats and be ready for the 240-300% Wind attack-boosting Eidolon that depends on commensurate Wind Eidolons that may come out by 2037.

That's the problem. 100% eidos were already broken and you had to wait slightly above year for them to get replaced by even more broken shit. This will probably continue.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

If you miss a Wind Union it's not a huge deal, by 2037 there'll be much more fly SSR Wind weapons as well as a few Wind Union event repeats for as many of the weapons from it as you need.

Actually it's very possible that there will be only 2 more wind UE that you can get 'present' UE weapons at. We'll see this week.


Also


Kamihime probably won't exist in 2037

Originally Posted by Pigeon

Hanuman has her own Summon effect, applying a Counterattack buff --

Intercept.
In Nutaku terminology, Intercept is what you use to dodge and counter enemy attacks. Counterattack is Pride buff, lower HP = more damage.

Originally Posted by Pigeon

1 year is not far enough into the future for me. The ideal Wind Eidolon grid would consist of Hanuman with 5 +99 Level 100 Gale Kaiser Dragoons. For this you'd need 25 copies of Gale Kaiser Dragoon/Imperial Chaldeas. --

The clouds are not enough for your head, huh. Hell, I don't think your head is even in this solar system anymore.

Originally Posted by Slashley

However, note that I was comparing really bad Dark Eidolons, as... well, there just aren't any good ones (I wasn't playing during Trivia). To my +99 Tiamats, Miis and Sphinx. As such, the situation for Wind can be different. But, I wouldn't expect much honestly. Reminder that 4% more Elemental atk is NOT 4% more damage done.

And you should. From new eidolons Stolas has the least ATK stat (1860), but if you add 10% increase (2046) it's really close to second highest ATK eido coming up (2052, first is Fleurety btw). Single element grids will be a thing, especially when new eidos will get their increase per sub-eido raised from 4% to 8%.