Thread: [Event 43] Raid Event vs Tiamat

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

depends on how strong your team is... 5% water atk might make a difference if you're packing some really high assault... the "meta" players probably got a grid full of assault and pride at SLv20 to make that 5% matter...

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

Tiamat though... possibly blows those two out the water.... pun not intended...

I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

even still, in terms of defense, tiamat should also be better than reiki... unless it's fire damage you take

reiki gives fire resist (more than jack but for 3 turns only as opposed to the entire fight), tiamat gives a flat HP barrier... this means tiamat is less situational than reiki int he case of being in sub slot of for using a water team in an off-element situation

Which shouldn't matter, since you can use all of them if you want. Especially Tiamat will be a sub-Eidolon for everyone who doesn't whale, due to having the highest stats of all event Eidolons. At least for the next year.

If you're fighting Fire, nothing can beat Jack Frost, really. But if you want damage over survival, Tiamat and Reiki are about equal. Tiamat is probably slightly ahead, but less reliable and doesn't work on skills.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

even still, in terms of defense, tiamat should also be better than reiki... unless it's fire damage you take

reiki gives fire resist (more than jack but for 3 turns only as opposed to the entire fight), tiamat gives a flat HP barrier... this means tiamat is less situational than reiki int he case of being in sub slot of for using a water team in an off-element situation

Reiki's buff is only 1 turn.

If Jack or Reiki aren't being used as a main eidolon, I would not even use either of them as a sub. Unlike Tiamat, the other two have fairly average/low atk, so there are better eidolons out there to use even if different element.

From a pure atk stat perspective, Jack Frost as a sub for a water team gets pushed up to ~1973 atk. The current off-elements we have that can beat that are Sphinx, Meng Huo, Kyuuki, and Icarus. And Kyuuki's only ahead by ~25; at that point Jack's HP advantage is probably more useful.
Jack's summon effect has a god awful success rate though, so I personally wouldn't use Jack as a sub outside of fulfilling Illuyanka's requirement.

Reiki as a sub... ok, yea, she pretty much either requires you using Illuyanka as main or you need her summon effect (while not having or wanting to use the water SR dragoon) for your damage cut plans.

Here's my Solo Rag run with Wind team. Didn't think 50% assault (~5% defender) would be enough for the mission, but I guess Hraes is just too strong (and/or Tiamat just too weak). With the latest additions, I'm really looking forward to play wind (once the grid is usable).

R team Expert... no problem really... especially since a 100% friend appeared...





wind team ragnarok.... i know some things that went wrong, not fully sure on everything i could have done better... but not doing this again... a win's a win after all.






thunder R team was using 39% defender and 36% assault (never got around to leveling my pride weapon)

wind team was using 50% defender, 43% assault, and SLv4 pride weapon... i know that defender is kinda overkill, but the grid is all wind like this and has 12 skills total...


still, can't deny that the wind fight went WAY longer than it needed to be.... I can honestly clear rank 4 thunder accessory faster than this...

I really need to stop neglecting my other teams... my light team has gotten all the attention lately and it's showing in a bad way now....

Originally Posted by Slashley

As long as you keep spamming half-pots for Gem Quests and spend 100k on Gem Gacha every day, level-up fodder should be fairly easy to obtain.

SR weapons are like slvl20 in two days, though leveling up takes longer (three?). I'd imagine that Eidolons would take like a week.

Could you do more detailed explanation? for example i have 100 HE, wait for sunday/early monday, then do about 160 25 stam gold missions (a long time consumed) then do 100 gem gacha pulls per day and when all those gems are used, i will have 100 HE from gacha again? is it right scheme or i missed something?