Thread: [Event 43] Raid Event vs Tiamat

As long as you keep spamming half-pots for Gem Quests and spend 100k on Gem Gacha every day, level-up fodder should be fairly easy to obtain.

SR weapons are like slvl20 in two days, though leveling up takes longer (three?). I'd imagine that Eidolons would take like a week.

Originally Posted by Slashley

As long as you keep spamming half-pots for Gem Quests and spend 100k on Gem Gacha every day, level-up fodder should be fairly easy to obtain.

SR weapons are like slvl20 in two days, though leveling up takes longer (three?). I'd imagine that Eidolons would take like a week.

Oh yeah, I've been doing that lately (hence why Barong was finished and her gun as well). I probably need to do the gem quests more, but I feel like I have too much right now (although spending will get that down in like a week).

Originally Posted by xxMidnightxx

Cmon bro... Reiki is better lmao a 5 percentage boost to the entire team is huge especially when it’s atk up and not character. The fact that u said they’re pretty much the same plus some blows my mind. A better argument here is Reiki vs. Tiamat if anything in which Tiamat does reign superior 👌🏼

Originally Posted by Amak

So higher raw stats are better than the 5% higher water atk from Reiki? Is that how it works?

depends on how strong your team is... 5% water atk might make a difference if you're packing some really high assault... the "meta" players probably got a grid full of assault and pride at SLv20 to make that 5% matter...

Tiamat though... possibly blows those two out the water.... pun not intended...

Tiamat has more atk than most eidolons in the game, ups the rate of double (i'm seeing 5% more chance from comments), and provides a barrier... reiki is just 5% more water attack with around 2/3rds the raw atk as Tiamat and comes with a fire resist, while JF comes with the same things as reiki (more or less), but sometimes removes a charge from bosses and has slightly higher raw atk than reiki...

it's more a case of what you need... in my case, i rolled a ton of defensinve kami and not many offensive ones (hell, my SSR in water element is Aphrodite, Snow Raphael, and Sarasvati). Jack Frost with that pretty much lets me outlast a lot of fire fights and even some off element ones (although my wind and light teams is better for that). i still tend to use reiki as a friend (and sub considering my reiki isn't MLB) but in fire fights, i'm not dying anytime soon...

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

depends on how strong your team is... 5% water atk might make a difference if you're packing some really high assault... the "meta" players probably got a grid full of assault and pride at SLv20 to make that 5% matter...

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

Tiamat though... possibly blows those two out the water.... pun not intended...

I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Assault grid won't matter for this, since modifiers just multiply each other. In other words, you should only be looking at the part which is affected - in this case, elemental attack. That's anything between 180% to 255% with double Jack Frost/Tiamat. Add 10% for double Reiki.I did some speculative maths earlier. No, Tiamat doesn't blow Reiki out of the water.

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

but wasn't your value of assault a major factor in how well elemental attack works for you?

i remember it being said before multiple times, but 90% assault is typically the point when character atk becomes meaningless for you

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Yes. For overall damage. I believe I've personally said 80%, but that's just an arbitrary number - it's around there.

But. When comparing two sources of elemental damage, just compare it to other elemental damage. Because regardless of the other modifiers (such as Assault), the damage increase or decrease will be in the same proportion. As I said in my speculative maths, 10% elemental attack is 4-6% more damage for you.

How much 4-6% actually is for you will depend on stuff like your Assault grid, but the 4-6% won't change. So when compared to the ~9% boost of Tiamat, yes, it is higher, but not high enough that you'll need to feel bad for using Reiki.

even still, in terms of defense, tiamat should also be better than reiki... unless it's fire damage you take

reiki gives fire resist (more than jack but for 3 turns only as opposed to the entire fight), tiamat gives a flat HP barrier... this means tiamat is less situational than reiki int he case of being in sub slot of for using a water team in an off-element situation

Originally Posted by Slashley

As long as you keep spamming half-pots for Gem Quests and spend 100k on Gem Gacha every day, level-up fodder should be fairly easy to obtain.

SR weapons are like slvl20 in two days, though leveling up takes longer (three?). I'd imagine that Eidolons would take like a week.

Could you do more detailed explanation? for example i have 100 HE, wait for sunday/early monday, then do about 160 25 stam gold missions (a long time consumed) then do 100 gem gacha pulls per day and when all those gems are used, i will have 100 HE from gacha again? is it right scheme or i missed something?

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Could you do more detailed explanation? for example i have 100 HE, wait for sunday/early monday, then do about 160 25 stam gold missions (a long time consumed) then do 100 gem gacha pulls per day and when all those gems are used, i will have 100 HE from gacha again? is it right scheme or i missed something?

this is assuming you can drop gems on that gacha like the plague....

if you do the 100 pulls on the 10 draw alone, that's 100k gems per day...

assuming you do this all week, you'll spend 700k gems so from gem quests alone (which appear daily, along with all day sunday), you'll need to spam enough half elixirs to make up those 700k gems you spent...

depending on your luck, you might break even, you might not... i don't really pull more than 10 (sometimes i pull only 2) and i spend less than 10 in half elixirs to make up those 100k gems i spent... if it's the gem quest that's up for only 30 mins...

you more or less have to hope you pull enough half elixirs to make that up, cause outside of gem gacha, you'll have to rely on advent events to make that up (and you should have no less than 40 from the rematches we just had if you went after those).

the half elixir rate from the gem gacha is better than you'd think, but luck can still give you a big middle finger and not give many...

Originally Posted by Mraktar

Could you do more detailed explanation? for example i have 100 HE, wait for sunday/early monday, then do about 160 25 stam gold missions (a long time consumed) then do 100 gem gacha pulls per day and when all those gems are used, i will have 100 HE from gacha again? is it right scheme or i missed something?

The basic idea is, as long as you have 84+ max AP, you'll go infinite.

Use half-pot on Gem Quest, earn your 6k+ Gems, and you can spend that 6k+ on Gems Gacha and get one half-pot back. So infinite value. Or well, effectively, you're trading real-life time for gaining ingame resources...

Do notice that the maths haven't been confirmed, but it should be around there. So whenever those 30-minute Gem Quests pop-up, you can spend as many half-pots you want and you'll eventually make back all the half-pots you spent from the Gems Gacha - plus a crapload of free shit.

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

-- you'll spend 700k gems so from gem quests alone (which appear daily, along with all day sunday), --

Whoa whoa whoa, that is NOT the same thing. Yes, they use the same icon and the same mobs, but they're NOT the same thing!

Gem Quests - the things that appear for 30m at a time - give you a guaranteed 6k Gems per run, usually a bit more. Sunday Quests give you anything between 1k and 6k. I'd rather call Sunday Quests "exp cave" than Gem Quests. You will NOT reach infinite value with Sunday Quests ever.