Thread: New Player gaches

So, your argument is, because content CAN be cleared without P2W Eidolons, they're worthless?
... alright. Fair enough. But then you need to state it clearly to new players that your opinions are mathematically challenged.

Also, the one thing which is not mathematically wrong because it is objectively wrong is how say that maintaining your friend list is important, yet you don't recommend rerolling to a P2W Eidolon. Without a P2W Eidolon, a friend list is pure suffering to a new player. At the VERY least, get that part straight.

Originally Posted by ZenMaster

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Once again you also failed to show why you think I'm wrong. You don't get much further by calling my opinion garbage and keep on venting how much better those P2W Eidolons are while failing to give us any actual examples. --

Define an actual example then.

You know, aside from pointing out that your "level obsession" is wrong. And the friend list thing.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So, your argument is, because content CAN be cleared without P2W Eidolons, they're worthless?
... alright. Fair enough. But then you need to state it clearly to new players that your opinions are mathematically challenged.

Ah, as I expected. When I merely ask for an example why you're attacking my opinion so obsessively you perform reverse logic and want me to defend mine instead. I fail to see the merit to be honest because all that will probably do is incite even more bullshit attacks, as demonstrated. Maybe in PM if you're really interested, then we also don't bother the others (this thread is about beginner gacha's after all). Or maybe the reroll thread...

Originally Posted by Slashley

Without a P2W Eidolon, a friend list is pure suffering to a new player. At the VERY least, get that part straight.

lol... What you call suffering is what I'd call actually playing the game. I also have some alts around, some of which have 0 P2W Eidolons and amazingly enough I still get things done. Still attract friends, still win battles, slowly (true that!) gain more power and most of all: I'm actually having fun.

Oh well... fanboys will be fanboys. In every kind of game. It's either their way or the highway, and nothing in between. Thanks for clarifying this for me.

Originally Posted by ZenMaster

Gee, I wonder why :P I guess you also failed to get any of my messages so lets try that one again as well.


And here we go. "Outperform". It's all about trying to be the strongest, best, etc. And apparently, according to some players such as yourself, that seems to be impossible without the P2W stuff, which I still disagree with.

So what exactly does all of this gain you, other than perhaps an easier victory? It's not as if the end result, winning the battle, can't be achieved otherwise. Because as you said: the status effect is what people concentrate on, but that only goes so far. It'll mostly be your kamihime's doing the actual fighting and applying the actual damage.

But as long as people are obsessed with "easier is better" you get your kind of nonsense. You wouldn't happen to have any (financial) stakes in the Kamihime game yourself by any chance? I mean, you almost make it sound as if I'm attacking your source of income merely because I "dare" to disagree with you and vent my opinion.

Once again you also failed to show why you think I'm wrong. You don't get much further by calling my opinion garbage and keep on venting how much better those P2W Eidolons are while failing to give us any actual examples. C'mon on; lay it all out if you're at it....

I'll keep it short...

Yeah, you are right. Winning the battle can be achieved otherwise.
You have 3 options:
1. you start with your first account and don't care what himes you get from the 6k tutorial jewels
2. you reroll until you have a core Hime for a element or 2 good SSR from the same element
3. you reroll until you get an 100% Eido

I am starting to think that you aren't a logical person...

Even a SSR Core Hime for one element or 2 good SSR Hime will make you life so much easier as a newbie...
You have a good starting Hime and now you can start to max this element. After 1-2 month you will have a very good team that can do most of the current contents solo. This team will be your wildcard for months!

Now you are going to start to upgrade your other grids until they are good enough that you can run with elemental advantage and do more damage than your main team.

A FUCKING 100% EIDO will just make your team for this element just OP...

You don't need a 100% Eido to win every battle but dude those MONSTERS will just make you life for later contents (Guild Orders and Tower) so much easier.
You don't need to have one but you should always choose a 100% Eido as a support Eido.

YOU CAN PLAY HOW YOU WANT! THAT'S YOUR DECISSION BUT PLEASE DON'T TELL NEW PLAYERS SUCH A BULLSHIT!

If you have the choice to start easier with a good core hime or a 100% Eido then you should always reroll!
Basically you should always reroll for most of the gatcha games.

PS: ZenMaster please try RANK 3 or 4 Accesory quest... with your current team and strategy you will have a lot of problems!
Don't even try Guild Orders or Tower.

Originally Posted by I AM TELLING SHIT!

PS: ZenMaster please try RANK 3 or 4 Accesory quest... with your current team and strategy you will have a lot of problems!

What "current" team? I have 8 of them, each specialized in either one single element or one mixture for experimenting. I definitely agree that trying to attack thunder with a thunder team (which is mostly active b/c of the event) would be dumb. That's why I keep more around. And yes, I agree: those higher level accessory missions are more difficult. Not impossible. Not even for me.

Everyone, chill a bit...
While I am the first that only follow some advice (I like to make teams with more defense and healing that most), and agree that you do not need to be the absolutely best to have fun with the game, I agree with Slashley on the importance of 100% Eidolons. It is not to "be the very best and all content be easy". The ones who most benefit of an advantage like that are precisely the new players, who can scale on power more easily, and everyone on those contents where you struggle to win. I have no 100% Eidolon , and only a few friends with them (my friend list is not so good as I would like), but when I use those Eidolons on difficult content the difference is clear; today I have done two times accessory of lightning T4. The time I could chose an 100% Eidolon from a friend was perfect and smoothly. The other time, that handicap and some enemy triple attack made that combat an extremely difficult one. Is there, when you have problems, when you need them the most.
And more important, when you talk with people new to the game, talk about that kind of things is very important. One or two sentence like "but if you have some 100% Eidolon, you have a great advantage" and I do not think others while have a problem with the text.
See you all on play.

Why do you guys get so bothered with what stupid things 1 low lvl/rank troll says? Any new player who decides not to re-roll even while knowing about it, obviously aren't serious about the game and will probably quit in a month or so anyway. While any serious new player will realize the importance of it by themselves eventually. The re-roll thread linked in these forums explains it pretty thoroughly already, so there's no point hashing over the same topic since you can just direct new players there. In the past when there were no 100% eidos, it might have not been as important for new players (hell, I never re-rolled myself since I never knew about it until much later); but nowadays any new players who fail to re-roll are only gimping themselves in the end, considering how far behind the curve they already are by missing all the other content so far. A 100% eido basically helps to put them on par for course since they're starting so late, and if they want to skip that for whatever dumb reason, well more power to them for wanting to play the game on hard mode I guess.

As hard as I have to admit, I should have rerolled into better SSR. I have already spent 100 bucks and I didnt to reroll then i used one of the OP AF Eidolons and it blew my mind.
Even tho I already spent some money I'm going to reroll into one of the better ones and try and play with both accounts as I focus more on the one with better Eidolon.

Thanks all for your input its very helpful.