Thread: New Player gaches

So, your argument is, because content CAN be cleared without P2W Eidolons, they're worthless?
... alright. Fair enough. But then you need to state it clearly to new players that your opinions are mathematically challenged.

Also, the one thing which is not mathematically wrong because it is objectively wrong is how say that maintaining your friend list is important, yet you don't recommend rerolling to a P2W Eidolon. Without a P2W Eidolon, a friend list is pure suffering to a new player. At the VERY least, get that part straight.

Originally Posted by ZenMaster

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Once again you also failed to show why you think I'm wrong. You don't get much further by calling my opinion garbage and keep on venting how much better those P2W Eidolons are while failing to give us any actual examples. --

Define an actual example then.

You know, aside from pointing out that your "level obsession" is wrong. And the friend list thing.

Originally Posted by ZenMaster

Gee, I wonder why :P I guess you also failed to get any of my messages so lets try that one again as well.


And here we go. "Outperform". It's all about trying to be the strongest, best, etc. And apparently, according to some players such as yourself, that seems to be impossible without the P2W stuff, which I still disagree with.

So what exactly does all of this gain you, other than perhaps an easier victory? It's not as if the end result, winning the battle, can't be achieved otherwise. Because as you said: the status effect is what people concentrate on, but that only goes so far. It'll mostly be your kamihime's doing the actual fighting and applying the actual damage.

But as long as people are obsessed with "easier is better" you get your kind of nonsense. You wouldn't happen to have any (financial) stakes in the Kamihime game yourself by any chance? I mean, you almost make it sound as if I'm attacking your source of income merely because I "dare" to disagree with you and vent my opinion.

Once again you also failed to show why you think I'm wrong. You don't get much further by calling my opinion garbage and keep on venting how much better those P2W Eidolons are while failing to give us any actual examples. C'mon on; lay it all out if you're at it....

I'll keep it short...

Yeah, you are right. Winning the battle can be achieved otherwise.
You have 3 options:
1. you start with your first account and don't care what himes you get from the 6k tutorial jewels
2. you reroll until you have a core Hime for a element or 2 good SSR from the same element
3. you reroll until you get an 100% Eido

I am starting to think that you aren't a logical person...

Even a SSR Core Hime for one element or 2 good SSR Hime will make you life so much easier as a newbie...
You have a good starting Hime and now you can start to max this element. After 1-2 month you will have a very good team that can do most of the current contents solo. This team will be your wildcard for months!

Now you are going to start to upgrade your other grids until they are good enough that you can run with elemental advantage and do more damage than your main team.

A FUCKING 100% EIDO will just make your team for this element just OP...

You don't need a 100% Eido to win every battle but dude those MONSTERS will just make you life for later contents (Guild Orders and Tower) so much easier.
You don't need to have one but you should always choose a 100% Eido as a support Eido.

YOU CAN PLAY HOW YOU WANT! THAT'S YOUR DECISSION BUT PLEASE DON'T TELL NEW PLAYERS SUCH A BULLSHIT!

If you have the choice to start easier with a good core hime or a 100% Eido then you should always reroll!
Basically you should always reroll for most of the gatcha games.

PS: ZenMaster please try RANK 3 or 4 Accesory quest... with your current team and strategy you will have a lot of problems!
Don't even try Guild Orders or Tower.

Originally Posted by Slashley

So, your argument is, because content CAN be cleared without P2W Eidolons, they're worthless?
... alright. Fair enough. But then you need to state it clearly to new players that your opinions are mathematically challenged.

Ah, as I expected. When I merely ask for an example why you're attacking my opinion so obsessively you perform reverse logic and want me to defend mine instead. I fail to see the merit to be honest because all that will probably do is incite even more bullshit attacks, as demonstrated. Maybe in PM if you're really interested, then we also don't bother the others (this thread is about beginner gacha's after all). Or maybe the reroll thread...

Originally Posted by Slashley

Without a P2W Eidolon, a friend list is pure suffering to a new player. At the VERY least, get that part straight.

lol... What you call suffering is what I'd call actually playing the game. I also have some alts around, some of which have 0 P2W Eidolons and amazingly enough I still get things done. Still attract friends, still win battles, slowly (true that!) gain more power and most of all: I'm actually having fun.

Oh well... fanboys will be fanboys. In every kind of game. It's either their way or the highway, and nothing in between. Thanks for clarifying this for me.

Originally Posted by I AM TELLING SHIT!

PS: ZenMaster please try RANK 3 or 4 Accesory quest... with your current team and strategy you will have a lot of problems!

What "current" team? I have 8 of them, each specialized in either one single element or one mixture for experimenting. I definitely agree that trying to attack thunder with a thunder team (which is mostly active b/c of the event) would be dumb. That's why I keep more around. And yes, I agree: those higher level accessory missions are more difficult. Not impossible. Not even for me.

Originally Posted by ZenMaster

Ah, as I expected. When I merely ask for an example why you're attacking my opinion so obsessively you perform reverse logic and want me to defend mine instead. I fail to see the merit to be honest because all that will probably do is incite even more bullshit attacks, as demonstrated. Maybe in PM if you're really interested, then we also don't bother the others (this thread is about beginner gacha's after all). Or maybe the reroll thread...

I'm still waiting for you to define an example.

(you can ignore this meme if you don't want to view it, i just made it for fun lol)

in my opinion, rerolling is a blessing for this game, especially for new players
because some games don't give you the option to reroll, like FGO, meaning you're basically stuck with whatever you get from the start and if RNG doesn't favor you, life is gonna be hard.

like yeah sure, that might be normal in the beginning but, would you want that to stay the same way forever?
Would you prefer your battles to last over 30 turns each time? exaggerated example i know, but obviously you wouldn't since that would be a pain in the ass to deal with every time. if 100% eidolons can make your battles just last 10 to 15 turns instead of 30 turns, I would rather take the route with less turns

most newbies to this game will always get that "roll for a 100% eido" advice or at least 2 core SSRs or something for an element of their choice), because that's the best advice they can get from them, and some old players didn't even get the option to reroll at all, much less at these recent 100% eidolons we are getting because they didn't exist at the time they began playing this game

I didn't reroll either since I placed a lot of effort into my own account before I even discovered what rerolling was, but if I had the option at that time I would have. even more so if 100% eidolons were available at that time, but no they werent lol

and let's face it- kamihime is not a newbie friendly game, some people will probably get turned off from playing this by how much you actually have to grind just to get the good stuff. and newbies won't be able to do this at all, and not for awhile until they can get on the level of ultimates (in terms of advents of course, for raids they can rely on people)
and i know that advent material cost reduction for the shop is coming close, but newbies will still have a hard time with that

But if they had a 100% eido, things will be a bit different. if they played consistently, they might not take awhile before they can do ultimates, and they'll have an easier time trying to catch up with most players because that's just how OP those 100% eidolons are. if they're not willing to spend a shit ton of cash just to roll for one (and they might not even get it) then why not get one for free? That's like the best deal you can have for this game right now and will make your life a lot more easier in future content, and as people said they'll attract a LOT of strong players with a full set of MLB'ed support eidos even at just a low rank. I don't even understand why someone would want to go the hard and slow way now..
I know it's not impossible to become strong in this game without those 100% eidos, but if you were in the beginning of a raid while someone else was using that, there's is NO WAY you can steal MVP from that guy especially if he has a decent grid + team. Having one of those is just a fast way to becoming strong, and why not take it?

tl;dr
100% eidos make life easier for newbies in the beginning, its like riding a racecar compared to a normal car
if you want actual examples on how they make life easier then (these ones are kinda common sense)
-much easier to add high rank players, let alone whales for a shit ton of good support eidos already at the beginning of the game
-you can use that element to clear all kinds of content with ease, especially in the future (except the element you're weak against)
-you won't need to farm any other eido for that element in main spot because 100% eidolons are irreplaceable as main eido

Everyone, chill a bit...
While I am the first that only follow some advice (I like to make teams with more defense and healing that most), and agree that you do not need to be the absolutely best to have fun with the game, I agree with Slashley on the importance of 100% Eidolons. It is not to "be the very best and all content be easy". The ones who most benefit of an advantage like that are precisely the new players, who can scale on power more easily, and everyone on those contents where you struggle to win. I have no 100% Eidolon , and only a few friends with them (my friend list is not so good as I would like), but when I use those Eidolons on difficult content the difference is clear; today I have done two times accessory of lightning T4. The time I could chose an 100% Eidolon from a friend was perfect and smoothly. The other time, that handicap and some enemy triple attack made that combat an extremely difficult one. Is there, when you have problems, when you need them the most.
And more important, when you talk with people new to the game, talk about that kind of things is very important. One or two sentence like "but if you have some 100% Eidolon, you have a great advantage" and I do not think others while have a problem with the text.
See you all on play.

Why do you guys get so bothered with what stupid things 1 low lvl/rank troll says? Any new player who decides not to re-roll even while knowing about it, obviously aren't serious about the game and will probably quit in a month or so anyway. While any serious new player will realize the importance of it by themselves eventually. The re-roll thread linked in these forums explains it pretty thoroughly already, so there's no point hashing over the same topic since you can just direct new players there. In the past when there were no 100% eidos, it might have not been as important for new players (hell, I never re-rolled myself since I never knew about it until much later); but nowadays any new players who fail to re-roll are only gimping themselves in the end, considering how far behind the curve they already are by missing all the other content so far. A 100% eido basically helps to put them on par for course since they're starting so late, and if they want to skip that for whatever dumb reason, well more power to them for wanting to play the game on hard mode I guess.

to be fair, rerolling for a 100% eido is madness ~~ if you get one in couple rerolls, be happy, take it, enjoy the game. i would not go out of my way to reroll till i get them, would most likely stop at a core hime + something useful, or some shit along those lines. i don't know anyone that actually did 2k rerolls without a 100% eido, but couple of friends did several hundred (<500 in total over the month's) without any 100% eidos. maybe 0.5% chance? no clue.

<--- did never rerolled, just played the game, had no clue what reroll was. If i had known, i would most likely have 2-3 good ssr himes more ~~ well, did start early on, did not lose out on much though, also sol's weapon loves me.

tl:dr if you have access to get one 100% eido, use it, be happy. you are done rerolling

Originally Posted by BlazeRai

in my opinion, rerolling is a blessing for this game, especially for new players
because some games don't give you the option to reroll, like FGO.

This is false, you can re-roll in FGO. Whether it is a hassle to do or not, that's another issue.