Thread: [Event 55] Raid Battle vs Trivia

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

How can you know if you don't actually talk to them, or have access to actual data? You're just throwing a wild guess out there without any proof.--

Well, you go and talk to the ~10k players who touch Union Events, then. Come back with the consensus. I'll be waiting.

But no, really, in every single game 'casuals' are always the numerical majority. As such, it really comes down to how you define "majority." Usually when we speak of "majority" here, it's basically never the "numerical majority" - it's the "majority of the people we consider active players." Even I fell for that, really - the "numerical majority" probably doesn't even reach 50/55 Souls per raid event.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Well, you go and talk to the ~10k players who touch Union Events, then. Come back with the consensus. I'll be waiting.

But no, really, in every single game 'casuals' are always the numerical majority. As such, it really comes down to how you define "majority." Usually when we speak of "majority" here, it's basically never the "numerical majority" - it's the "majority of the people we consider active players." Even I fell for that, really - the "numerical majority" probably doesn't even reach 50/55 Souls per raid event.

But if the Numerical Majority is as you say Casuals that just get minimums, what makes you think they come in here to get advice? If they get the minimums then I doubt they care enough to learn how to get better and just figure things out as they go along. But again this is all assumption based. IMO the best thing to do is give specific advice to players in their situation, or the generality of players that come to these forums (which I doubt would be super casual).

I think the point has already been lost in translation but... eh.

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

But if the Numerical Majority is as you say Casuals that just get minimums,--

As I said in my second post, I doubt the "numerical majority" even gets minimums. They do a couple of raids here and there and that's it.


Anyway, just keep in mind that 3000 Jewels, ~20 tickets will basically grant you "fuck all." Is it better than nothing? Absolutely. But it's nothing that one should lose their sleep over. The more you play Kamihime, the stronger you'll get. That's really all there is to it.

My target audience are those who don't play this game as a second job. Those who do have little need for my advice; they can go immerse themselves in the resources provided by the Japanese community.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I think the point has already been lost in translation but... eh.As I said in my second post, I doubt the "numerical majority" even gets minimums. They do a couple of raids here and there and that's it.


Anyway, just keep in mind that 3000 Jewels, ~20 tickets will basically grant you "fuck all." Is it better than nothing? Absolutely. But it's nothing that one should lose their sleep over. The more you play Kamihime, the stronger you'll get. That's really all there is to it.

And if you play with that attitude of "just getting the minimums", it'll take forever to really get anywhere and you'll just quit because you're not getting anywhere fast enough.

You don't have to lose sleep just to get max rewards from a Raid. Over an 8 day period, if you just get 10.25 Devil and around 30.12 Divine Souls per day, you're going to finish the event. I hardly call that losing sleep, especially if you're going in and leeching most of them.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

My target audience are those who don't play this game as a second job. Those who do have little need for my advice; they can go immerse themselves in the resources provided by the Japanese community.

If that's your target audience, then why are you giving that advice to someone who is not part of your target audience? He's here, therefore not your target. Your target, being that casual, doesn't care enough to really learn the mechanics of this game.

If you want to get even more in-depth, then you can look at the cut off point for the average PP daily needed to clear the 3mil quota for union events and see how many people even reached it. The score showing in the ranking thread shows the most PP one gained in a single day. Assuming around 375k PP gain is the average per day required for a 8 day event (the last wind union event), the cut off point is around the 2500th-ish ranked player. The other 7500ish players failed to get enough to meet the daily amount and since the score is based on the most gain in a single day, they didn't get anymore for the other days thus not even completing the solo 3m. There are a lot of other variables but if that many people aren't completing their union event, then there's likely many that aren't completing raid events either.

And a small extra tidbit, most of the scores provided by users here, in comparison to the participant count, is that many got into the 1st~1000th rank despite the participants count being around 10k. While its still a wide range, it's still high up there as a whole. So it's probably not the best to use users here as the basis for setting the standard for what most players can or will achieve when everyone is as strong as they are.

I don't really count PP anymore since all it gives is Tickets. A newbie can just jump in 1 hit a boss, go to menu, do the same thing again, and get all the rewards. While that is a bit absurd, they could do it.

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

I don't really count PP anymore since all it gives is Tickets. A newbie can just jump in 1 hit a boss, go to menu, do the same thing again, and get all the rewards. While that is a bit absurd, they could do it.

It's more likely newbies don't even know about that method to begin with.

Although depending how new the person is, I wouldn't recommend it to them as it burns through a fair amount of seeds/elixirs and it doesn't provide those resources back as you're not getting much tickets with this method. While gem gacha does exist, spending 100k a day for some seeds/elixirs as a new player is unlikely. I think the one who originally asked about raid events that started the discussion only started a week ago?

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

If that's your target audience, then why are you giving that advice to someone who is not part of your target audience?

Because Seraphim01 PM'd me and asked for advice. I chose to provide it here. Is that a problem?

Does every minor thing anyone says which deviates from the consensus of a certain segment of the community have to turn into a confrontation and major debate? Discussion arising from intellectual curiosity is one thing, but does no one else find this constant fault-hunting annoying and disruptive? I see it happening over and over again in many of the topics I've read lately, even ones I don't participate in.

meanwhile i am sitting here, thinking 3k jews and 23 tickets are 33 rolls, which is close to the average of required rolls for an ssr.
in my book, must have.
Bare minimum ssr weapon and eido complete and as much of those items mentioned above as time allows without sacrificing anything else in RL.
What people seem to not mention, going for more souls = more tickets = chances to roll more weapons/eidos/fodder/seeds/gems. Its not only the rewards, but the stuff you get on top through the tickets.

Don't really care about seeds/HE's used, what i do value is time. How much is everyone willing to spend on this game is their own choice.

But on topic, i do think that people that care enough about the game to get a minimum amount of information from forums, should aim for as many rewards as possible, since some will stick around for longer, and bite themselfes in the rear later that they did not finish the event.