Thread: [Event 55] Raid Battle vs Trivia

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

Are you sure about that Sana? Most players that I see go after the full 250/100 clear for Raid events. Seeds are easy to get from Disaster/Catastrophe drops as well as daily Gemcha. If a new player paces themselves well enough they can get away with clearing the event with only 100 seeds. I used to do that when I first started.

In fact, I would be very interested in taking a poll just to see what the majority of people do (although that data may be skewed because the only people that would see it are the ones here and in discord, and those are the people that I usually see clear all rewards).

That really depends on how define "most players" or "new players". I'm fairly sure that numerically, most players only get the SSRs. The active people - the people here for example - tend to go for 225(/250)/100.

Originally Posted by Mirage

Yeah because 3k Jewel, 23 summon tick and 2 eye frags are "Returns diminish greatly"

Nothing, nothing and nearly nothing when compared to 2 SSRs is indeed greatly diminishing returns, actually.

Originally Posted by Slashley

That really depends on how define "most players" or "new players". I'm fairly sure that numerically, most players only get the SSRs. The active people - the people here for example - tend to go for 225(/250)/100.Nothing, nothing and nearly nothing when compared to 2 SSRs is indeed greatly diminishing returns, actually.

How can you know if you don't actually talk to them, or have access to actual data? You're just throwing a wild guess out there without any proof.

Secondly, just getting the Event SSR weapons and Eidos is not the only way to get good. It certainly is the primary way, imo, but you also need to get new Kami to have access to different skills and combinations. Those are only obtained through Jewels and Tickets (especially for F2P players). Also, just having the weapons/eidos isn't good enough, you also need to Skill Level the weapons for them to really be of use and you can't do that without materials, which can also be obtained from the rewards as well as part of the rolls from tickets and Jewels. Oh, and don't forget that you need Gems to Limit Break said weapons that you are farming, as well as the Eidolons and Kami. Those are part of the rewards as well. Oh and books for the Final Limit Break of SR and SSR Kami as well as FLB SSR weapons now. All part of the rewards.

To me it seems that all of the rewards are fairly important to anyone that wants to get strong enough to stand on their own.

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Originally Posted by SlickFenix

How can you know if you don't actually talk to them, or have access to actual data? You're just throwing a wild guess out there without any proof.--

Well, you go and talk to the ~10k players who touch Union Events, then. Come back with the consensus. I'll be waiting.

But no, really, in every single game 'casuals' are always the numerical majority. As such, it really comes down to how you define "majority." Usually when we speak of "majority" here, it's basically never the "numerical majority" - it's the "majority of the people we consider active players." Even I fell for that, really - the "numerical majority" probably doesn't even reach 50/55 Souls per raid event.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Well, you go and talk to the ~10k players who touch Union Events, then. Come back with the consensus. I'll be waiting.

But no, really, in every single game 'casuals' are always the numerical majority. As such, it really comes down to how you define "majority." Usually when we speak of "majority" here, it's basically never the "numerical majority" - it's the "majority of the people we consider active players." Even I fell for that, really - the "numerical majority" probably doesn't even reach 50/55 Souls per raid event.

But if the Numerical Majority is as you say Casuals that just get minimums, what makes you think they come in here to get advice? If they get the minimums then I doubt they care enough to learn how to get better and just figure things out as they go along. But again this is all assumption based. IMO the best thing to do is give specific advice to players in their situation, or the generality of players that come to these forums (which I doubt would be super casual).

I think the point has already been lost in translation but... eh.

Originally Posted by SlickFenix

But if the Numerical Majority is as you say Casuals that just get minimums,--

As I said in my second post, I doubt the "numerical majority" even gets minimums. They do a couple of raids here and there and that's it.


Anyway, just keep in mind that 3000 Jewels, ~20 tickets will basically grant you "fuck all." Is it better than nothing? Absolutely. But it's nothing that one should lose their sleep over. The more you play Kamihime, the stronger you'll get. That's really all there is to it.

Originally Posted by Slashley

I think the point has already been lost in translation but... eh.As I said in my second post, I doubt the "numerical majority" even gets minimums. They do a couple of raids here and there and that's it.


Anyway, just keep in mind that 3000 Jewels, ~20 tickets will basically grant you "fuck all." Is it better than nothing? Absolutely. But it's nothing that one should lose their sleep over. The more you play Kamihime, the stronger you'll get. That's really all there is to it.

And if you play with that attitude of "just getting the minimums", it'll take forever to really get anywhere and you'll just quit because you're not getting anywhere fast enough.

You don't have to lose sleep just to get max rewards from a Raid. Over an 8 day period, if you just get 10.25 Devil and around 30.12 Divine Souls per day, you're going to finish the event. I hardly call that losing sleep, especially if you're going in and leeching most of them.

Originally Posted by sanahtlig

My target audience are those who don't play this game as a second job. Those who do have little need for my advice; they can go immerse themselves in the resources provided by the Japanese community.

If that's your target audience, then why are you giving that advice to someone who is not part of your target audience? He's here, therefore not your target. Your target, being that casual, doesn't care enough to really learn the mechanics of this game.

My target audience are those who don't play this game as a second job. Those who do have little need for my advice; they can go immerse themselves in the resources provided by the Japanese community.

If you want to get even more in-depth, then you can look at the cut off point for the average PP daily needed to clear the 3mil quota for union events and see how many people even reached it. The score showing in the ranking thread shows the most PP one gained in a single day. Assuming around 375k PP gain is the average per day required for a 8 day event (the last wind union event), the cut off point is around the 2500th-ish ranked player. The other 7500ish players failed to get enough to meet the daily amount and since the score is based on the most gain in a single day, they didn't get anymore for the other days thus not even completing the solo 3m. There are a lot of other variables but if that many people aren't completing their union event, then there's likely many that aren't completing raid events either.

And a small extra tidbit, most of the scores provided by users here, in comparison to the participant count, is that many got into the 1st~1000th rank despite the participants count being around 10k. While its still a wide range, it's still high up there as a whole. So it's probably not the best to use users here as the basis for setting the standard for what most players can or will achieve when everyone is as strong as they are.

I don't really count PP anymore since all it gives is Tickets. A newbie can just jump in 1 hit a boss, go to menu, do the same thing again, and get all the rewards. While that is a bit absurd, they could do it.