Need Advice on How to Power-Up From Here (Long-Term)

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10-23-2018
Unregistered

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Originally Posted by QXZ

OP,

i suggest you build a team around Water. Ryu-oh is a top tier SSR hime in water lineup and the water element is F2P friendly. then u can build a wind team around Gaia as your backup element, in case your water team run into problems against Thunder events.

for mtix, i suggest the following priority: Vohu Manah (after Feb 2019) > Ashera > Snow Raph > Aphrodite

Nothing against you but thats Bullshit. Really... So much BS!
Water meta next year:
Shiva AW, Vohu, Cthulhu AW, Asherah/Sarsawati/Lakshmi/Poseidon AW. Depends on the situation.
Tbh he should MT Cthulhu for the future but on the other hand thats 1 year away!
And I wouldnt MT Ashy anymore since Shiva AW will replace her next year.

Actually I would wait till MT what he gets before.
Tbh I recommend to MT Svarog and then Uriel.
Those 2 are broken enough that you can even use it for off-ele.
10-23-2018
Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Slashley

And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere.

No. Vohu allows you to run Shingen BG, she is pretty fast and can reset her skills by 1T.
At least she is making water way better. No she is saving it.
"Not that all good" you want her for water rst down+GTA and not fire atk rst down...
10-23-2018
Slashley

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

No. Vohu allows you to run Shingen BG--

Shingen BG?

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

"Not that all good" you want her for water rst down+GTA and not fire atk rst down...

GTA?

Also, Water is extremely debuff heavy already. That lowers the value of Water Resist Down a lot. Of course, you either need Herc, Cthulhu or Vohu to go past 40%, but.
10-23-2018
Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Slashley

Shingen BG?GTA?

Also, Water is extremely debuff heavy already. That lowers the value of Water Resist Down a lot. Of course, you either need Herc, Cthulhu or Vohu to go past 40%, but.

Okay ... I didnt think you would be so clueless.
First of all do you actually know the reason why you use Vohu and you should MT her? I guess you dont know it.

Next year we will have the Era of Shingen fast burst builds.
Furthermore you can use MP to unlock her 20BG Party skill with 6T CD.
Then how are you going to burst fast in 3-4T with PF and a team with Cthulhu, Ryu-Oh and Snow Raphy? You can't!
What does Vohu do?
Abi 1: AoE Water damage + GTA (Guaranteed Tripple Attack) for 2T. CD: 10T
Abi 2: Consumes 10% HP and you can attack immediately. Every 4T (add Tiara set effect + Sarsawatis help = she will sure DATA even without her GTA skill)
Abi 3: 30% Fire Atk down and 30% Water RST down --> you need 30BG to use it
Passive: At the end of the turn 5% chance that her skills will reset by 1T
Burst: Recover 2k HP.

With Vohu you can kick Snowy and Ryu-Oh. Especially with Cthulhu AW and she is fast after burst, if you use her Abi 3 because GDATA!
Now we need someone that can help Vohu after her 2T --> Sarsawati, who is basically like Titania.
Shiva AW will replace Ashy. Why? Shiva AW has a better party buff skills and only 5T CD! Furthermore she get 20BG every 5T for herself + her Nuke is strong enough to make up for Ashys Buff loss.
Shiva AW, Cthulhu AW and Vohu are the water meta.
Last spot is either Lakshmi for more damage and MVP stealing or you use Sarsawati/Poseidon AW --> depends on the situation.
Furthermore Lakshmi herself if fast enough!

Tbh that you are really saying that she is "really good" against fire and nothing-else is Bullshit.
She is basically saving water from the extremely debuff heavy curse.
I dont know why you think that you should use 2 useless slow KHs instead of Vohu in off-ele...
10-23-2018
Slashley

See, here's the problem. You're applying knowledge of "DMM today" to "Nutaku today." What's the difference?

A full year.

Vohu won't be out for us for FOUR MONTHS. Shingen's new skill won't be available until 1-2 months after Vohu is out (of course, assuming that Nutaku version keeps up to pace...). Cthulhu AW and Shiva AW won't be out for many months after that. In other words, all the things you're saying don't apply to us for at least six months, probably not for like 8-10 months. As such, what use is that...? If you want to look ahead, okay. But isn't that a little bit too much?

It's really Vine all over again, where DMM players were scoffing at her. Yeah, now that we're in age of Hercules (which DMM players were in when we got Vine), Vine doesn't have much use. But all the way until age of Hercules? Vine was fucking amazing. Let's not think of the "future" as "today" since that's not how stuff works.

Also, I still don't understand what makes Vohu so good. Yes, she's going to ready for Shingen. So what? The third slot will still need to get to 80 burst, the fourth to 70, and the fifth to 60. Wind does chaingun bursts because Titania can rake up her burst while giving tons of burst to others. Vohu can only do it for herself. And saying that Saraswati is like Titania is an insult to Titania, as Saraswati is capable of only giving decent amounts of burst to self and one other at 6t, whileas Titania is 4t. Of course, Titania is Awakened, so that helps her a ton.

For the next 6+ months, Water is ideally going to run the "Holy Trinity" - Cthulhu, Snow Raphael, SSR Nike. Last spot goes to highest damage dealer, which is really only Asherah at the moment. Sure, after that we'll be seeing changes as the meta gets notably faster, but even that only applies to ultra-whales who can keep up with literally every single SSR Hime for literally every element. Is that really the only thing we're going to be discussing?
10-23-2018
Unregistered

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Originally Posted by Slashley

See, here's the problem. You're applying knowledge of "DMM today" to "Nutaku today." What's the difference?

A full year.

Vohu won't be out for us for FOUR MONTHS. Shingen's new skill won't be available until 1-2 months after Vohu is out (of course, assuming that Nutaku version keeps up to pace...). Cthulhu AW and Shiva AW won't be out for many months after that. In other words, all the things you're saying don't apply to us for at least six months, probably not for like 8-10 months. As such, what use is that...? If you want to look ahead, okay. But isn't that a little bit too much?

What the hell are you talking?
I am referring to your post about:

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Originally Posted by Slashley

And it should be noted that Vohu is super good against Fire, but not all that good elsewhere.

Why are saying that she isnt that good elsewhere? Thats why I said why you want to MT her.

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Originally Posted by Slashley

For the next 6+ months, Water is ideally going to run the "Holy Trinity" - Cthulhu, Snow Raphael, SSR Nike. Last spot goes to highest damage dealer, which is really only Asherah at the moment. Sure, after that we'll be seeing changes as the meta gets notably faster, but even that only applies to ultra-whales who can keep up with literally every single SSR Hime for literally every element. Is that really the only thing we're going to be discussing?

Sure, if you think so.
I run Shingen+SS with Asherah, Sarsawati, Ryu-Oh and Cthulhu --> 4-5T PF Burst.
The "Holy Trinity" is already over, who needs that.
Herc+PF I just go pure damage with Asherah, Shiva, Cthulhu/Ryu-Oh, Snowy/Ryu-Oh/Cthulhu/Posseidon.

[QUOTE=Slashley;130453]Also, I still don't understand what makes Vohu so good. Yes, she's going to ready for Shingen. So what? The third slot will still need to get to 80 burst, the fourth to 70, and the fifth to 60. Wind does chaingun bursts because Titania can rake up her burst while giving tons of burst to others. Vohu can only do it for herself. And saying that Saraswati is like Titania is an insult to Titania, as Saraswati is capable of only giving decent amounts of burst to self and one other at 6t, whileas Titania is 4t. Of course, Titania is Awakened, so that helps her a ton.
/QUOTE]

Can't you even do the simplest math?
Shingen --> 20 party BG
Cthulhu AW --> 20 party BG
Shiva AW --> 20BG for herself
Vohu Manah --> GTA
Sarsawati --> Ally 25BG and high DATA up

Turn 0: Shingen party BG +35 BG for herself, Shiva BG for herself, Vohu Manah Abi 1+2 combo (30BG - her debuff = 0), Sarawati BG to Vohu and herself
Turn 1: Shingen 65-85BG, Shiva 50-70BG, Vohu 75BG, Sarsawati 55-75BG, Cthulhu 30-50
Activate PF, Cthulhu 20 party BG
--> Burst in 3T with PF

Furthermore you already stopped with this game, so whats your point to give advice ???
10-23-2018
Slashley

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

Why are saying that she isnt that good elsewhere? Thats why I said why you want to MT her.

Because, I don't see her being good. Yes, she's fast. So what? Being fast doesn't help if you outpace the rest of the team.

The way I see it, until you can make use out of her fastness, she's literally nothing but an annoying to use debuff slut that only works proper against Fire. Mind you, her debuffs only last 120s and costs 30 burst to apply. That means you might not really be able to use the "main feature" of Water Resist Down even - less Affliction resistance - since applying such a short debuff first may or may not be viable.

At least the 30 burst thing is manageable, since she's able to generate 30 burst before turn1 starts and then a guaranteed 60 burst in the following two turns. After that though, then what? It takes 10 turns before the guaranteed triple is ready, and with 120s, that won't be around for the second application. So you'll need to be mindful of how much burst she has available to her if you want to keep that debuff rolling. Is that really worth it against anything except Fire? Such concerns go away once your team gets crazy fast, but that doesn't happen for Water in ages. And even then, only for ideal or near ideal teams. I just don't see her as Miracle Ticket material at all unless she's either the last piece you're missing OR you ONLY fight with elemental advantage and your Water is sorely lacking.

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Originally Posted by Unregistered

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Furthermore you already stopped with this game, so whats your point to give advice ???

At least my advice is valid today, whileas your advice is valid around... 2019-10-15? Possibly a week earlier. That's at the very earliest 50 weeks from now.

And even then, only if you have literally every possible Water SSR Hime. That kind of burst setup doesn't work if you take away a single piece, much less two pieces. Or more. You really want him to commit Miracle Tickets on something that'll only work after a full year has passed...? And that's if he commits more Miracle Tickets to it and/or whales like crazy?
10-23-2018
Laventale

Well, that's it. Thank you for coming all together to discuss a simple topic that could've been discussed from the beginning over the Q&A thread.

Now I'll proceed to do what I do best.

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