Thread: [Event 69] Advent Battle vs Rahab (Rematch)

Originally Posted by Unregistered

If you still have SR in your grid, grab it

it's got assault and exceed.... i'd get it anyway if you're water focused.

that's actually a good combo for dual weapons. plus i always felt like water needs more damage output anyway (grids aside)

Originally Posted by MagicSpice

it's got assault and exceed....

Wrong as usual.... it's not exceed, it's stinger... Exceed would make it much more important.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Wrong as usual.... it's not exceed, it's stinger... Exceed would make it much more important.

Assault/Exceed would make it damn good. Now, it's just... eh?
I mean, it's certainly way better than any Water SR so far. But for those veterans who are going to be filling their Water Grid with 9x Assault SSRs, it's difficult to justify this thing in that Grid. That Crit slvl20 is assumed to be roughly 2% more damage on average, against Fire only. Is that better than nothing? Absolutely. But is it worth the effort, when Fire Tower is already behind us? Probably not. Vritra reprint is four months away, so veterans will be getting two more Water FLBs there.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Assault/Exceed would make it damn good. Now, it's just... eh?
I mean, it's certainly way better than any Water SR so far. But for those veterans who are going to be filling their Water Grid with 9x Assault SSRs, it's difficult to justify this thing in that Grid. That Crit slvl20 is assumed to be roughly 2% more damage on average, against Fire only. Is that better than nothing? Absolutely. But is it worth the effort, when Fire Tower is already behind us? Probably not. Vritra reprint is four months away, so veterans will be getting two more Water FLBs there.

Lvl 90 rags.

And besides, it's not completely trash, so why not keep it.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Lvl 90 rags.

And besides, it's not completely trash, so why not keep it.

How much extra damage does Crit do?


Dejnov.

It depends on where you're getting crit from. From Stinger it's 20%, berserk frame if I remember correctly (thanks for correction).

Originally Posted by Gludateton

It depends on where you're getting crit from. From Stinger it's 20%, berserk frame if I remember correctly.

More recent version of the damage formula puts crits in their own separate multiplier. Berserk/stun punishers/rage punishers are still in that miscellaneous 'other buff correction' multiplier though.

Stinger's for people focusing less on the long term average and more on gambling for all or nothing in small sample sizes. Like in situations where you know you're not quite strong enough for steady play to win, but creating variance can give you a shot.

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

Lvl 90 rags.

And besides, it's not completely trash, so why not keep it.

As he says, for those of us that are already replacing SSR weapons with the second knife, the spear isn't worth farming. Those still building their grid will certainly want it.

Vicious Ocean Tide Spear is comically bad compared to the other Event SSR Water weapons of very recent times (Water Sickle of Guilty Sloth, Lazy Bow Hail Punisher, and Rahab's Knife). Not only is the Spear incapable of being Full Limit Broken where the three aforementioned all can be, but its Assault is downgraded for Stinger which is pretty terrible Skill given that it requires both favourable element (which is the last element you'll need more damage against given that you already hit their weak point) and involves rolls for random spike damage rather than a steady reliable increase.
Against everything that isn't Fire, it has the same Weapon Skill as an SR except it demands way more fodder to increase. On top of all this, it inexplicably punishes you for using it as a Soul Weapon by hitting you with multiple debuffs upon Bursting.

I picked it up anyway because I'm new and still have some Level 85 SRs/Level 50 SSRs I can't break further that I need to replace, and the 40 extra Levels should be more than sufficient to offset the extra tedium of levelling its Blizzard Assault.

It's also a viable weapon to stuff in the grid just in case you pick up a phantom spear and you want to use it for your water team. Granted, that in itself is a stretch between the odds of picking up a phantom weapon and how few SSR water spears there are.

The weapon skill effect page putting crits in the same multiplier as berserk's pretty old. Like I remember that being the understanding last year.
Going through the history for the damage calculation page, it's the June 13 edit this year that put crits into their own multiplier. For that matter, the July 28 edit starts separating vigor from special (but still labeled both as special). The August 20 edit fully separates vigor from special.