Thread: New DMM Feature: Seraph Union Events! (Goodbye Demon)

Originally Posted by Itoshira

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Siegfried is not a Soul that works by herself as the likes of Arthur or Herc. --

Arthur works by herself?!

... well, I guess being able to be PF effortlessly is something...

Originally Posted by Pigeon

Siegfried, Ea and Oceanus are sick.

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34127924

Notice that this guy is reaching 2m with all characters - not just Stun punishers. That means that these numbers are not something realistic you can ever expect to reach.

At least now I understand why is Water the strongest one in the dummy event. Indeed, when you reach the soft-damage cap and Berserk doesn't work, there's literally only one way forward. And Water is the only one (that I can think of) that has two Stun punishers.

That looks more like echo bursts here than the stun punisher skills themselves.

Particularly, the 1 million for Ea's echo burst impresses me, as that works at 200% + burst_damage_buffs. Keep in mind that it does not benefit from the stun punisher buff.
Actually, Lakshmi's echo burst is also impressive, as that thing is supposed to soft cap at 450k I think o.o

Originally Posted by Unregistered

That looks more like echo bursts here than the stun punisher skills themselves.

Oceanus - an SR - would've Bursted for 5m damage if cap wouldn't be a thing.

But yeah, echo sure helps.

On regards to the video:

It should be noted that Isis gave 4/5 members a Vigor buff which is an insane buff when it comes to bursts. It doesnt work like an Atk buff as it has a far higher impact on your damage increase. Basically, if you have a 30% Vigor buff, you are literally doing 30% more effective damage. Which is obviously lowering the needed power to reach the burst cap. It also effects the Burst damage buff, so it's effect is insane.
That's why Ea for example didnt need it, since she is using a Stun Punish she reaches cap already, but it helps anyone else that doesnt instantly reaches it.
Also, Atum is working slightly differently then right now for Taco. She does increase the Ability Damage cap aswell as the general attack damage cap.
Usually, Sieg wont reach 1.1m damage with her nuke. Her Burst is also over the usual Burst cap, which lets her reach 2.8m (I think her cap at that point would be around 2.2 - 2.3m).
This is a pretty precise setup and if something doesnt go right, it instantly falls apart (that's why Isis and Atum have to die).
Another note is that Echo has a softcap aswell, so it can go beyond it. Same rules as usual that every damage beyond is reduced by 90%.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Arthur works by herself?!

She doesnt need any support to do high damage thanks to insta burst and having a decent nuke. Besides her Atk buff. Solomon is the same, can deal noticable damage by herself without the needs of someone else (this doesnt mean that with more support they can do more, just considering their own kit).
Shingen for example is better in use of the whole party, since she has 2 buffs and her Abi 1 is not a Nuke that stands out with high damage numbers. Andromeda & Joan are also in the same boat, just on the defensive side of things.

Here's a thought/question: given such an absurdly long rage gauge (6 million HP for expert, who knows what for ult, but most likely not shorter than 10 million), at what power level does Siegfried actually surpass Gilgamesh strictly in terms of getting through the rage gauge?
It's basically a question of when does 2 (elem atk relic) * 4.0-5.0 (overdrive's multiplier against raging) * 1.15 (I think that's Morale Boost's multiplier for shredding rage gauge?) every 6 turns (plus 40% echo burst if you're bursting during rage) surpass a single 3.0-4.0 (Gilgamesh's anti-rage nuke) + 20% current rage gauge shave every 6 turns? Assuming the ex slot isn't something from each other, so no Siegfried with Eternal Snake here, or Gilgamesh with Overdrive.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

-- 20% current rage gauge shave every 6 turns? --

That'd be the problem. While the first 20% will be amazing, they'll start to be less and less amazing quite fast.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Here's a thought/question: given such an absurdly long rage gauge (6 million HP for expert, who knows what for ult, but most likely not shorter than 10 million), at what power level does Siegfried actually surpass Gilgamesh strictly in terms of getting through the rage gauge?
It's basically a question of when does 2 (elem atk relic) * 4.0-5.0 (overdrive's multiplier against raging) * 1.15 (I think that's Morale Boost's multiplier for shredding rage gauge?) every 6 turns (plus 40% echo burst if you're bursting during rage) surpass a single 3.0-4.0 (Gilgamesh's anti-rage nuke) + 20% current rage gauge shave every 6 turns? Assuming the ex slot isn't something from each other, so no Siegfried with Eternal Snake here, or Gilgamesh with Overdrive.

The very short answer is...

You won't be using either to kill boss in late game either way.

Siegfried only reappears in spacewhale endgame, and even then I'm not sure it's good for massive HP bosses.

Of course you're not actually use them for serious play; it's more of a thought exercise/gimmick.

But you can use Eternal Serpent (20% rage cut) on Hercules with Chernobog's Groom Wrap (30% rage cut) on Light Ragnarok to take it down to 56% of the rage bar on the first turn of raging.

All it takes is the EX slot in a dark team (and using Chernobog of course, which I already do). Thanks for the suggestion/idea!!


Dejnov.