... I don't know why you must make ascension sound like one of the worst skills ever, but saying that it is a useless stat for wind? There is Azazel AW and she is definitely MT-worthy and has team-wide 300 energy drain and 500 regen - ascension works on both. With all the DATA buffs you get from wind, you should think of it as the higher end of 300-900 energy drain and 500 regen on 5/7T CD. The main flaw I see is that taco may never give Azzy AW to us...
Didn't want to wade into this part of the debate, but I can't help but think that you're implicitly assuming that players don't get better over time - when I first started, I had to manual advent experts - not even ultimates, experts, now all events are AAB material for me. Early on, I tried to do LUlt, which took me over twenty minutes to clear, with help, not even solo. It seemed crazy to me at the time that I was expected to farm these hundreds or even thousands of times. But then slowly, my grid got better, and now I just AAB every ult and I go manual LRags instead. I presume it'll be the same with Olympia raids - you get better over time and what used to be incredibly time-consuming grind becomes easier and faster.There are very, very few players on the Nutaku who are going to farm that ludicrous amounts of the Olympia raids - specifically, when farming all of them.
I only remember doing this with Abou, who had special atk that scaled like pride. I forgot the exact details, but I did find a build where Abou + some amount of vigor (I think it's just 1 SR replacing 1 SR disaster hammer) suffers at most a few % loss in dmg relative to St. Nick or Barong, but retains a lot of the upside at low HP.
You are right, Sol AW's ability buffs both, so that wasn't a good example. But other than Andro's weapon, there's also Andro/Cassio/Vivian master bonus, soul energy release, Dian passive (small but it's there), Lugh passive and Berith passive. I was also gonna throw in accessories and Shamash's 3rd ability, but I'm not sure if those buff just the cap or both or not.
I've already pointed out that ascension tends to raise not lower the break point and also given you multiple examples of where the break point is binding, so I'm just going to reiterate:Sooo that one doesn't really count for increasing the break point, if there's any kind of argument to be had there.
Also, amended my original post: