Thread: How to use AW Betty (because apparently Gold Get use needs to be taught as well)

Originally Posted by buttlover

There are always outliers in every example, but you starting a thread to show like it is a matter of fact (" that apparently it needs to be taught")
After which you admit that you won't even follow what you post, because it is obviously too tedious.

Then
PLEASE dont advocate ideas that even you dont follow.

Overall betty is definitely worth AW. But if you think the optimal map is pastoral, but don't even plan to farm it.
Then it is clearly NOT the optimal map for you, and please don't advocate it for other.

I am NOT advocating others to do so. I am TELLING people HOW others are saying AW betty is used. which is why I did not say I agree with lafate's order of AW in which he prioritized betty first. however, for those who DID AW betty first like in lafate's AW order list, the way to farm gold effectively using her is to farm pastoral gate WHEN YOU NEED GOLD. I myself do NOT need gold atm. therefore, I do NOT see the reason for myself to rush betty AW.

This is in particular a reply to a question lolix asked on shoutbox on 'which is the map to farm using AW betty', as well as to your bullshit comment on "100k gold in exchange for ZERO unit progression and inferior level xp after using a full bar of charisma??? And i thought only fark will come up with such ideas and do it" because this is NOT an idea that is fark-tier. This is actually a legitimate way of farming gold which you have NOT experienced because you have not reached the point where you lack gold like some people in DMM. and all the shit ass long breaks we were given in nutaku did not help things either since virtually everyone who had been playing before commission sortie was implemented has managed to stock up 2mil gold and easily more than 100 DC if they did not buy every current TP unit.

edit: also, I myself WILL use AW betty to farm LCB1 if I had her, as well as use her as my primary assassin
edit2: I would also farm pastoral gate with AW betty if I needed the gold, instead of commissioning Deep Forest Road. Pastoral gate farming with AW betty > Deep Forest Road's gold, as previously calculated by lolix in the shoutbox. Although, there are easier gold-getting units like maurette, patra, noel and mia. but let's wait until we actually get them.

Edit: Wait, I just realize the guy in quote also sells his irons doesn't he? I didn't sell the irons I got from MB.
-Running PGate to get gold output right now.


Edit: Updated version of research.

While I don't have an awakened Betty, I have an Awakened Lyla. So I tried to use her for mysterious beast as mentioned by Eab1990.
I ended up with 4000~4200 gold a run.

To handle the air units, I had multiple hit squads of a Witch+Archer pair to hold the bottom portion of the screen to kill the gargoyles and red gargoyles. Once the gargoyles were dead, I withdrew the pair and allowed Lyla to keep wailing away.

Red wolves usually get through. When the slimes approach, I used Lyla's reckless abandon skill(or as ungracefully called, Risk Life III)

They other guy in quote claims 3600 a run with PGate.
Running it myself nets 2000~2100 gold a run.

Mysterious Beast is 20Charisma to PGate's 12Charisma
which means for PGate you get 175gold per Charisma.
Meanwhile Mysterious Beast gives 210gold per Charisma.

On raw gold gain, Mysterious Beast gets you 35 more gold.

Note: This excludes selling the irons you get, which could alter the result based on drop rates.

Originally Posted by Pyonification

Edit: Wait, I just realize the guy in quote also sells his irons doesn't he? I didn't sell the irons I got from MB.
-Running PGate to get gold output right now.


Edit: Updated version of research.

While I don't have an awakened Betty, I have an Awakened Lyla. So I tried to use her for mysterious beast as mentioned by Eab1990.
I ended up with 4000~4200 gold a run.

To handle the air units, I had multiple hit squads of a Witch+Archer pair to hold the bottom portion of the screen to kill the gargoyles and red gargoyles. Once the gargoyles were dead, I withdrew the pair and allowed Lyla to keep wailing away.

Red wolves usually get through. When the slimes approach, I used Lyla's reckless abandon skill(or as ungracefully called, Risk Life III)

They other guy in quote claims 3600 a run with PGate.
Running it myself nets 2000~2100 gold a run.

Mysterious Beast is 20Charisma to PGate's 12Charisma
which means for PGate you get 175gold per Charisma.
Meanwhile Mysterious Beast gives 210gold per Charisma.

On raw gold gain, Mysterious Beast gets you 35 more gold.

Note: This excludes selling the irons you get, which could alter the result based on drop rates.

hmm, thanks for the research. although I'm skeptical about your 2k gold per run in pastoral gate. I think that's due to using AW lyla instead of betty? exkale tried it out earlier, and with a prince buff (and some effort on skill timing on AW betty I think) he managed to kill all but 1 goblin.

edit: just some data to illustrate my point: using stats from aigis wikia, mysterious beast has 92 enemies and 1440 gold on 3*. pastoral gate has 45 enemies and 900 gold on 3*. using your numbers, you'll have to generate 2.5k gold from enemy kills in MB, and 1.1k gold on pastoral gate.
but I do agree with your point that MB is potentially another place to farm gold using Gold Get! ability. although I think pastoral gate should take half the time of MB, I can't confirm that anyway so I'll just leave it to readers to decide themselves.

That was an old video and it was messing around with fielded units to show why Betty needs levels before she can do anything of value.

Here is the one I recorded today:
44/45 https://youtu.be/Qg8HKctSyCI

Fair enough. Guess I'll run Pastoral to save me the headache.

... Getting slightly ahead of myself though, need to actually AW Betty first. Well, she'll come after Iris, anyway.

If you are completely F2P and are willing to commit, this is the best. (Kappa) I was reading the post seeing the amount of gold available, but then you said manually instead of Commission Sortie, and I just died lol.

Ok , so i got bored with this thread in which people only speculating , so decided to do some testing.


Did pastoral gate 3 times : first run : 1950 gold + 5 drops (4 irons , 1 bronze) = 3650 gold. Second 1650 + 3 irons drops = 2450. Third run : 2550 gold + 4 drops (1 bronze , 3 irons) = 3950 gold.

On Average , pastoral gate gave me 3350 gold. That is not very far from my initial calculation ( i used 3k gold as average). For my stamina that should give around 100-120k gold per a full fill if one is inclined on farming pastoral gate. That is not that bad , assuming u need the gold.



Now i tried other maps as well (single runs , so no averages here ) , and this are the results :

Mysterious beast : 4290 + 2 iron drops. = 4890 gold (this map has potential for a crapload of gold , depending on the RNG , because of the sheer amount of kills , but it's long and boring)

Royal road (22 cha map , 56 enemies , 1080 base gold) = 2970 + 4 drops . Drops lvl 9 fodder. Not the best , but it's usuable > if you want a bit of both (gold/unit xp)


Dragon hunting (37 cha , 3600 base gold) = 5100 gold + 3 drop (2 irons , 1 brozne) =6100. The drop rates on dragon hunting are rather meh , we all know that , but it drops lvl 18 fodder , it's easy to afk farm (just place betty right at the cave spawn point , and give her 1 healer , the prince and a high lvl archer/witch for the dragons). I will update as i find other maps.

The problem with drake hunting is that it's not that much better then doing IB for example (on which u get more drops , and comission sortie)

Glad to see this thread developing I decided to awaken my Betty after my Aria was done and leveled back up a bit and have been seeing how well she can farm gold.

I've been doing Return to Ruins 23 Chr for 1500k Base + roughly an extra 1500 from Gold Get. Was using the lvl 14 drops to level up units instead of selling. Works OK once Betty is leveled up enough to 2 shot red goblins (about lv50 with Aria's +2% and Prince bonus)

Figured I'd drop this here

As mentioned the max amount of Charisma on a daily cycle is 480 (20 per hour, 24 hours. Assuming you never stay full on Charisma) taking into consideration the amount of times you can run the maps you can run

Pastoral Gate - 40 times
Mysterious Beast - 20 times
The Royal Road (mentioned by lolix) - 21/22 times (21.8)
Dragon Hunting (also mentioned by lolix) - 12/13 times (12.9)

So you might want to calculate the average gold you could get based on that.

Originally Posted by Buster Wolf

Figured I'd drop this here

As mentioned the max amount of Charisma on a daily cycle is 480 (20 per hour, 24 hours. Assuming you never stay full on Charisma) taking into consideration the amount of times you can run the maps you can run

So you might want to calculate the average gold you could get based on that.

That does factor in to our thinking but we resolve that by dividing Average Gold Gain [(Base + G-Get)* Multipler + Unit Sell] by the stamina Chr used. X/12 , Y/37 , etc. Once that is calculated you will know which is more efficient irregardless of how many times you need/want to run it.

It will probably be found that Pastoral Gate is the most efficient for pure gold gain. The Jpn Wiki says this but I couldn't find any calculations to support that statement. What we will probably end up determining is which stage you should run to get a "Fairly High Gold Gain" With Useful XP Fodder Units.

E.g.
Pastoral Gate:
Charisma Cost = 12
Stage XP (/Chr) = 123 (10.25)
Base 3* Gold (/Chr) = 900 (75.00)
No. Units Betty Can kill [Av Gold Gain] (AvGG/Chr) = 43 out of 45 [at 10% = Average of +1200 Gold for 3*] (100.00)
No of Unit Drops 5
Soldier (Bow) [3] x2 EXP:50 (55 Same Class) Sell Value 300
Soldier (Unit) [3] x2 EXP:50 (55 Same Class) Sell Value 300
Royal Soldier Hector [3] x1 EXP:80 (88 Same Class) Sell Value 500
(Don't have drop rate %'s but they could be deduced fairly accurately from a large datapool.)