Thread: How to use AW Betty (because apparently Gold Get use needs to be taught as well)

Originally Posted by buttlover

Umm, i am not sure if you understand the word "advocate" but it is a scale lower than "TELLING" people to do things.
"TELLING" is sometimes used synonymously with "giving an order"

Either way lesson learnt:

1. never "tell" someone else to do something you haven't done, maybe you can recommend people instead of issuing a statement

2. dont start a thread based on the shoutbox when you don't read the full details
(lolix wasn't asking about which map to farm, he was saying he would get about 100k by HIS calculations of abt 400 charisma) - which IS fairly accurate, and i said that the xp losses wouldn't be worth it, unless you are purely farming for gold. (not going to explain when you practically agree with me on it)

3. nutaku aigis =/= dmm aigis, the speed at which nutaku can release events is 1/3 or at most 1/2 the rate of dmm's. Meaning we will never catch up, unless nutaku changes their methods of handling events. (meaning more breaks for us, yay lolix)

4. don't quote random sources, that don't take into account the AVERAGE player. WHO THE FISH is going to spend 1/4 of his day doing that frequently?
It is NOT a practical theory. Even the writer admits all his numbers is made on the spot, 480 charisma = lv253 player, Lafate recently hit 200 (congrats, 201~202 now?) and he has been playing faithfully forever. No way, 480 is an accurate number for nutaku players.

0.01 = ASSUMPTION.

Even you said, for all the effort, you SHOULD be able to get at least a couple of silvers.
I didn't wanna talk about it, because i want more people to foolishly try this assumption and post the results but since you called me out like that, you forced a response to clarify.

ok fine, my bad about the choice of words. I'd prefer if you re-read my line, but I meant I am informing people on how others are saying to use AW betty when they recommend AW betty. happy now? they have the choice to follow or not to follow.

2) lolix DID ask which map to farm. after which he did not get a reply and found out that pastoral gate is the place to go to, following which he obtained his own results from farming it. and yes, I do agree on exp loss, so it depends on which you're going for anyway.

3) yes, nutaku aigis =/= dmm aigis, but it doesn't mean the gold farming methods do not work. I am not saying this method MUST be followed. I am saying this method is viable when you lack gold and can do w/o the unit exp. (you can't actually get both.)

4) that source is simply to show some statistics on what you can POTENTIALLY get out of farming pastoral gate using the massive grind way. it IS a practical theory, for those outliers you mentioned. you don't need the exact same statistics of 480 charisma. even less and you'd still be earning a farm bit of gold using this method.

edit: might just add: since you mentioned AW betty is worth it, but you disagree with using her to farm pastoral gate, might I ask what do you find worth AW'ing betty for in that case?

edit2: exkale, thanks for the vid, but I kinda wish we could've known how much gold you got out of that run =P also for those using that video as reference, sherry gave 5% attack buff and prince gave 21% (probably) to betty (AW42) to get 623 attack needed to one-shot the gobs. (you need around 615 atk to one-shot the gobs I think)

Originally Posted by soranokira

although I'm skeptical about your 2k gold per run in pastoral gate. I think that's due to using AW lyla instead of betty?.

Originally Posted by exk

That was an old video and it was messing around with fielded units to show why Betty needs levels before she can do anything of value.

Here is the one I recorded today:
44/45 https://youtu.be/Qg8HKctSyCI

That's pretty much exactly the issue. With a Lyla, her attack speed is significantly slower than a Rogue's. With that, Mysterious Beast might be another farm spot, as Lyla with Risk Life III can one shot the slimes
And then as I mentioned, you need multiple squads of Archers and Witches to deal with the air units.

I think while MB might yield more gold, it requires more work than deploying Betty, Prince at back and then AFKing for the rest of the map.

Originally Posted by soranokira

exkale, thanks for the vid, but I kinda wish we could've known how much gold you got out of that run =P also for those using that video as reference, sherry gave 5% attack buff and prince gave 21% (probably) to betty (AW42) to get 623 attack needed to one-shot the gobs. (you need around 615 atk to one-shot the gobs I think)

Since Betty is claiming the majority of the kills, you can assume that 10% of the 44 kills will have a Gold Get proc. That should make it approximately 4.4 Gold Get procs per run, which equals to ~440 Gold average unless RNG messes with you.

Showing the results in the video would screw with people trying to check their results with mine since I have Mia, who grants an extra 15% Gold. I got 9 procs in that video, making it 900 bonus Gold gained.

(Mission Complete Gold + [100 x Gold Get procs]) * (3-Star Bonus * Shop Buff * Ability) = Gold Gained

Pastoral Gate: (600* + [100 x 9]) x (1.5 * 1 * 1.15) = 2,587 Gold

*Information listed on wikis have their 3-Star bonus gold already applied. See also: http://i.imgur.com/y5bdLTY.jpg

Originally Posted by soranokira

edit: might just add: since you mentioned AW betty is worth it, but you disagree with using her to farm pastoral gate, might I ask what do you find worth AW'ing betty for in that case?

I use betty like how i use my merchant. For simple maps like LCB when i need silvers, for blocking units off desert maps that i have yet to get commission and probably the first few maps off events when they come.

Betty will eventually pay for herself in the long run with or without having to force yourself to sit down to babysit her.
Oh and i have Berna, so betty will be a token eventually. On general, I'll awaken all good rogues because it is going to be so fun.... once freaking berna crawls her way to 80.

Nice that you got courage to put down the pride and see things from a different perspective. That is something REALLY hard to do.

@exk Saw the video, you have the new awesome black battle spirit?? Why you no deploy Q_Q , i wanted to see that tight ass in action.