Thread: plat units = to blacks

I don't need to "apear" smart when you do a good enough job of making yourself look like a fool without my interference.

ok. feel free to corect me :


We were arguing about which plat is better.


Gellius is THE top tank in the game. Best stats , best block , ability to face tank the ultimate bosses.

Nadia is a a top tier duelist (a very powerfull 1 at that) , but she is not the best. She is situational , and she can get situationally outclassed by others. Also her cost to deploy is insane , while gellius is not a situational tank. You need a tank ? you deploy him. Is he needed 100% of the times ? No , but he can be used most of the times.

I mean take leanne which is the cheapest HA : she costs 21 UP to deploy. An awakened gelius costs 26.

Now consider the cheapest duelist , and then consider nadia.



The point i'm trying to make is that nadia while very very very powerfull , is also situational. Gelis is not. Combined with the fact that there are no better options then him , in any situation that requires a heavy (as oposed to nadia that can be replaced by other duelists depending on the situation) means that he is also much more useful (well to be honest , heavies are generally more important then duelists , so there is that)


Now , in what way is nadia the better plat unit ?

Being anti-situational does not mean efficient. If Gellius fits everywhere but does not excel at anything except tanking, that isn't what I'd call "best plat unit". It'd be a debate to even say "most useful plat" either. Even if he's the best tank, his level of tanking is only really necessary for high-end bosses. If you can replace his job with Bernice half the time, that doesn't make him essential either.

If you can accomplish a job faster and with less risk by DPS'ing the fuck out of something instead of tanking and worrying about DPS/healing/leaks/etc., why wouldn't you? That is the argument for Nadia. What Nadia does is handle multiple roles (duelist/AoE), and she does that extremely well. She doesn't NEED to block more than one unit if she can AoE kill everything. She doesn't NEED to tank if she's not fighting anything short of a golem (and even then, Nadia can tank some of the lower-end golems). She only truly loses in cost, and neither unit is anti-rush anyway.

In the end, it boils down to what you value more in a unit. A unit that does extremely well at one job, or a unit that does sufficiently well at multiple jobs. You could make a case for other pure vs. hybrid classes, but in this case, Gellius does not have much else going for him besides tanking and cost, neither of which gives him a substantial lead over Nadia if he needs outside help anyway.

Originally Posted by Larcx

So from what I understand Nadia is OP
Then , how about the other two Dragon Rider?
Are the two other overshadowed by Nadia?
If one got other Platinum Dragon Rider
Is it worth to Lv them / one should wait for RNG-Mercy for Nadia?

Thank You~

the issue is that most dragon riders aside from nadia fulfill a rather different role, since their skill allows them to do magic ranged dmg unlike Nadia's anti-swarm, so it's somewhat hard to compare. exk had a video of him using Lucile as a secondary tank against a 4k atk golem.

and at this point I think it's rather pointless to carry on the argument. just let lolix see for himself when nutaku aigis finally gets nadia WITH SAW.
let's take a guess, 2020? think we can get it by then?

According to FKG devs, Aigis is in the process of being transferred to Nutaku (as in re-negotiating their contract to give them more control), so we may see more frequent events/content updates from here on out. Hopefully.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

According to FKG devs, Aigis is in the process of being transferred to Nutaku (as in re-negotiating their contract to give them more control), so we may see more frequent events/content updates from here on out. Hopefully.

yeah, hopefully. but honestly until things actually start turning for the better, I'll assume things are going to remain this bad.
I mean, seriously, it's been more than a year for Aigis.

Eh, baby steps.

If we get the missing units/Yurina, trading post update, revivals, and no more fucking breaks, it'll be a huge start.

well the problem with her dps is again , that it's situational as well. She needs another blocker besides her to stall the enemies. Combine that with her initial high cost and we have the issues of taking too long to have a good strategy for most maps. That doesn't mean that nadia isn't a very very powefull unit. She is downright broken in the right conditions , but i wouldn't call her the best either.


I guess in the end it falls down to prefferences , but i personaly don't like units that cost that much to deploy. With her cost i could deploy both gelius and solano for example

I don't exactly see the problem with her cost. Most of the time you will deploy a soldier and anticipate more heavy forces down the line when you have set up a decent team. If you need to quickly deal with enemies you'd deploy archers regardless. Heavy Armours cost a decent amount overall too so waiting some extra time to deploy Nadia instead is fully plausible.

And as others have stated in many cases she won't need a blocker since she will outright murder anything that gets into her range. To give you a similar example - would you be deploying gellius because you are worried Spica will let those purple goblins that she 1-2 shots through? You'd most likely just place her and giggle at the goblins getting slaughtered. Nadia works the same way but for tougher enemies.

Yeah, the cost gap shouldn't be an issue when both of their costs are expensive as it is. If you need to intercept something and only have enough UP for a heavy, 99% of the time, you're better off using a soldier (or a valkyrie on DMM, I guess) and an archer instead.

Deploying Gellius and ONLY Gellius for a rush is just setting yourself up for trouble. Gellius/Solano also doesn't outweigh Nadia because of the extra 10 seconds of setup. Unless you put Solano first, in which case, you're still not solving the main problem of actually getting a blocker on the map and you may as well just use a soldier then.