Thread: plat units = to blacks

Originally Posted by lolix

the point wasn't that gelius + leanne is better.The point was that with the cost of deploying a nadia i could deploy gelis with a solano....or a nanaly or even an aisha for gods sake. Why don't people look at a unit's cost as another stat ?

Its the anon that told you my black team cost me alot of maps.



Can you help me? I can put them all down in first half of the map but then I still cant beat this map help.

so...i don't see the map , your units or the enemy stats ....and what exactly is your issue on said map ? You get swarmed ? Can't tank enemies ? Can't dps ? What exactly is the issue ?

I know sarcasm doesn't translate well over the net, but he's obviously being about as sarcastic as one can be, lolix...

oh i got it. It's just that i don't understand what he's trying to prove. We were comparing 2 plat units , and he's butting in for.....what exactly ? Also what does said map has to do with our conversation ?

Originally Posted by lolix

the point wasn't that gelius +solano is better.The point was that with the cost of deploying a nadia i could deploy gelis with a solano....or a nanaly or even an aisha for gods sake. Why don't people look at a unit's cost as another stat ?

Because Solano has setup and downtime, Nanaly has downtime, and using Aisha in any argument is the worst reasoning ever. But for the sake of logic, we'll stick with Solano.

If you set Solano down first, you still have no blocker until you have enough for Gellius. 15 + 26 is 41. 1 point later than just putting Nadia down.

If you set down Gellius first, you have to wait ten more seconds for Solano to actually be ready to attack. 26 + 15 + 10 is 51. So that's 11 extra seconds of waiting for the DPS to start coming in, which probably won't mean much for Gellius, but then you probably need a healer sooner or later, so that's another 15+ seconds on top of that, then an archer or something else to pick up the slack for when Solano's skill ends. Instead of, again, just putting down Nadia.

its not like u have no block and no dps either untill u place nadia down.... But god forbid to even suggest deploying solano first...

Your entire argument hinges on Gellius + another unit doing Nadia's job. I gave you the math for the cost.

If you want to complicate this by saying Gellius + Solano + Nanaly + Aisha + Katie + Iris + random iron soldier #52 > Nadia, then I won't argue that. But if you're trying to prove that Gellius is the better unit that way, then fucking lol.

no. i was pointing out that gelius is the better unit because he costs lower , is the best tanker in the game , he is not situational and he is universaly strong vs all offenses , while nadia is cost heavy ,has situational dps , and she is situational in general. This is why he's better. That being said , solano was an example of another good unit that can be deployed alongside gellius while having the same cost as a single nadia.

>costs lower

Which again becomes irrelevant when you consider that you need to deploy other things with him to achieve the same result as Nadia.

>best tanker

Which is largely outweighed by the amount of DPS that Nadia provides.

>not situational

Which means he is also not the most efficient or even the best heavy choice in all situations.

And again, Solano has startup/downtime. Nadia has constant DPS. In practice, players know when to activate her skill to achieve the best output. But in theory, those downtimes put Gellius at a distinct disadvantage compared to just putting Nadia down.

You keep missing how these downsides add up. All you want to focus on is cost. You miss the entire point of a hybrid unit like Nadia.

we're just going to spam another 3-4 pages repeating the same shit and still disagree , so let's end it and just say that each of us values different things in units. That's the beauty of aigis. It allows multiple playstyles. That being said , i don't see how a unit that can be used in literally any case were u need his specific class is worse then a unit that can be used in certain situations (even if in said situation she performs godlike)