Thread: plat units = to blacks

unless i'm missing your point , we were talking about which unit simply stands out of an entire army , regardless of role. Gelius is clearly the best tank in the game , and stomps all the competition out of the water. actually if i were 2 pick 2 units from your team , those would be gellius and olivie , long before nadia. Not that nadia is bad tho , but she's not THAT great. 2 costly to be eficiently deployed in any sort of rush map for ex


I mean , maybe i missunderstood , but we were talking about which plat unit is the best. I'd say gellis is the better one

forgetting about cost.. she looks pretty badass. if you can deploy her in a choke point looks like a total meat grinder.. throw gellius and healer behind and afk

Originally Posted by lolix

unless i'm missing your point , we were talking about which unit simply stands out of an entire army , regardless of role. Gelius is clearly the best tank in the game , and stomps all the competition out of the water. actually if i were 2 pick 2 units from your team , those would be gellius and olivie , long before nadia. Not that nadia is bad tho , but she's not THAT great. 2 costly to be eficiently deployed in any sort of rush map for ex


I mean , maybe i missunderstood , but we were talking about which plat unit is the best. I'd say gellis is the better one

this topic is actually discussing which plats are near black-level. both Gellius and Nadia has enough stats/power to be listed here. also note that exk has only mentioned nadia as a duelist that can tank anything except the super high end ones, although she can also tank most of them with a bit of support. if you notice in exk's screenshot, nadia has 3.5k hp with 2.6k def, which effectively allows her to tank up to 6k damage. there are not many things where you need gellius instead of nadia to tank. (so yes, gellius is not the only tank that can facetank high-tier bosses)

also, nadia can dps, while gellius can't.

The bottom line is that while Nadia is indeed expensive she also consolidates an awful lot of power into one spot.

Anyway, I do think there comes a point where fixating on roles can become rather counterproductive--it's important to have your all your bases covered, certainly, but that doesn't mean units have to be all defense or all offense. Gellius is great against uber units but otherwise a premium tank really only has value over a merely adequate tank if the difference in defenses allows you to get away with less healers. Otherwise you may as well throw in a blocker that can get the job done while providing more oomph.

the point he was making was that no plat unit come close in sheer power , to which i responded that gelius is (stat wise) the best plat in the game. He is the best tank , with great block , MR and defense , while also costing way less. Deploying nadia will not be cost effective on a majority of maps

He is mainly talking about the sheer damage coupled with her great tankiness though. Or did you miss the part where he said she was better than bandits, and the only HA he actually used in comparison was Deine, a high damage HA?

Gellius' tanking ability is different from the power output of Nadia (which is what he was getting at) if you want to go by stats at max level and affection

Gellius
HP: 4175
Atk: 306
Def: 611
MR: 10

Adding Gellius' Skill AW (for 30 seconds)
Def: 1833
MR: 30

Nadia
HP: 3572
Atk: 1031
Def: 614
MR: 0

Adding Nadias Skill AW (which keeps going till she gets paralyzed)
Atk: 1546
Def: 921

Despite the fact that she can only block 1 target she clearly outclasses Gellius stat wise, of course she's not meant to be put on every map and has her areas where she shines.

and conveniantly left out gelius skill awakening. Interesting. @ Buster wolf


@ Tenhou : he said "other plats units can only look in shame" I was assuming he was talking about all plats. If he was talking purely duelists , sure , but the way he phrased it was somewhat confusing. If he wasn't talking duelists , then no. I disagree that nadia is the best platinum in the game.

Her stats make a lot of units pale in comparison. Sure, Gellius has great defense, but Nadia has defensive stats AND offensive stats. I know you love your argument of "rather have a tank and then place out mages." But think about this - with Nadia out you have one great damage dealer and a tank out at the same time. Sure, she costs more, but she's like one hell of a monster that effectively manages two roles at once.

Gellius on the other hand is just that - a tank. He is only useful for blocking. Nadia can smash things to pieces as they come towards her. Who needs to deploy that archer or mage to go with Gellius? Just put down Nadia and be done with it.

There's also many maps where ranged slots are rather limited. The current subjugation event on DMM only has 3 ranged slots. Nadia was born for that map...

Originally Posted by lolix

and conveniantly left out gelius skill awakening. Interesting. @ Buster wolf

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Still Nadia is better due to being able to attack all grounded units that pass her so she doesn't need ranged damage support like Gellius does due to his piss poor attack stat.