Thread: Spectral March Guide

King dong. You use imelia skill for the damage now the defense in this case. Using it purely to burst down the first lich as fast as you can

Originally Posted by soranokira

as mentioned, Prince stat does NOT affect things in this map. he should duel NOTHING. look at where I placed my prince lol. also, the rest is answered in red. also, whoever you use in Imelia's place should at least have 350 def and preferably 1.7k+ hp (hp value is randomly estimated value I came up with). and I thought you had Imelia on your black account?

I have Imelia on BOTH accounts, and she will be my primary lightning rod.

Can you dodge magic attacks? (like is that how dodge works from, for example, Sasha's skill, or like on a rogue) I ask because if so then Imelia might survive due to dodging.

EDIT: Oh, and you did your MR math around lich damage being 500, but in reality it is 550 since the X difficulty map is 110% for enemies. So the correct math would be 550 - 55 = 495, and so if you down the first lich the remaining units need to be able to tank 990. Meh.

no, you cannot dodge magic attacks except with chizuru (gold samurai)'s skill. there will be units in the future that has a chance to completely nullify all damage taken from 1 attack though.

also, no. there's no scaling here. I checked, the lich only does 500 damage in the map itself.

Originally Posted by switch

King dong. You use imelia skill for the damage now the defense in this case. Using it purely to burst down the first lich as fast as you can

I agree. That was my point.

With that said @soranokira is bursting the first lich down the reason you wanted/considered changing Bashira to the "best mage" spot? If so keep in mind the lichs have 300 base Def (so 330 on X map).

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Originally Posted by soranokira

no, you cannot dodge magic attacks except with chizuru (gold samurai)'s skill. there will be units in the future that has a chance to completely nullify all damage taken from 1 attack though.

also, no. there's no scaling here. I checked, the lich only does 500 damage in the map itself.

No scaling...interesting. Silly Wiki got it wrong.

Originally Posted by King Dong

I agree. That was my point.

With that said @soranokira is bursting the first lich down the reason you wanted/considered changing Bashira to the "best mage" spot? If so keep in mind the lichs have 300 base Def (so 330 on X map).

yes, that was my consideration. especially since bashira has better attack speed and 600+ attack with prince buff iirc. also, def is probably 300 but in the end, everything is take with a pinch of salt and just estimates. a lot of things you won't be able to tell until you actually experiment with it yourself. I simply came up with the hypothesis, but at this point I'm done with experimenting and I have already achieved what I needed to.

also, wiki is not completely wrong. there are scaling on some (usually the scrub mobs) which I have personally experienced before between 400 kill map and 500 kill map in a previous dmm subjugation before. same applies to current dmm subjugation between 500 and 600 kill map.

Originally Posted by soranokira

yes, that was my consideration. especially since bashira has better attack speed and 600+ attack with prince buff iirc. also, def is probably 300 but in the end, everything is take with a pinch of salt and just estimates. a lot of things you won't be able to tell until you actually experiment with it yourself. I simply came up with the hypothesis, but at this point I'm done with experimenting and I have already achieved what I needed to.

also, wiki is not completely wrong. there are scaling on some (usually the scrub mobs) which I have personally experienced before between 400 kill map and 500 kill map in a previous dmm subjugation before. same applies to current dmm subjugation between 500 and 600 kill map.

Yeah, I will just keep the Bashira idea in mind when I finally get around to trying the map again, or on my second account if the Valerie being weaker then Sasha thing proves to matter.

Hi all my first time posting here. Been playing Nutaku Aigis for the last two months now so till a newish player, have been trying to build up my team as fast as possible to have a good chance at taking on events in the future such as this one (I started playing the last week of the event 'General of a ruined land' so missed out on both units).

Anyway onto this event, I have been watching most of the guides on the expert mission and lately had only been able to get up to the 400 kill mark. But a couple of runs ago I managed to get 499 kills (One dragon slipped through, didn't have enough DPS due to the lich's) since then I haven't been able to recreate what I did to reach that mark.

I use Bashira as my main dps as I wasn't having much luck with Valerie against the 3 lichs which is what killing me. My question would be are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice? I use Sybilla (lvl 55) around the time the lichs appear but she usually gets killed off by the time the second lich gets to her so I use to swap in bernice but she usually doesn't last long either (well not long enough for me to kill one lich off) Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

Originally Posted by Jay Rich

Hi all my first time posting here. Been playing Nutaku Aigis for the last two months now so till a newish player, have been trying to build up my team as fast as possible to have a good chance at taking on events in the future such as this one (I started playing the last week of the event 'General of a ruined land' so missed out on both units).

Anyway onto this event, I have been watching most of the guides on the expert mission and lately had only been able to get up to the 400 kill mark. But a couple of runs ago I managed to get 499 kills (One dragon slipped through, didn't have enough DPS due to the lich's) since then I haven't been able to recreate what I did to reach that mark.

I use Bashira as my main dps as I wasn't having much luck with Valerie against the 3 lichs which is what killing me. My question would be are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice? I use Sybilla (lvl 55) around the time the lichs appear but she usually gets killed off by the time the second lich gets to her so I use to swap in bernice but she usually doesn't last long either (well not long enough for me to kill on lich off) Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

Well, I haven't got 500 yet, but I'm in a situation similar to yours (getting to 492 regularly) trying to find the best way to beat the 3 lich 5 dragon ending. Right now there seems to be 5-7 important slots for the lich part, and the rest of the set up is about beating the dragons.

Lich part

2 Lightning Rod slots (First two melee slots)
2-3 Healer slots (2nd, 3rd, and possibly 4th ranged slots)
1 Primary RDPS slots (1st ranged slot)
1-2 Secondary RDPS slots (5th, and 4th if 2 healers, ranged slot/s)

With that in mind my answer to your question, "are Bandits better lightning rods than my tanks like bernice?", would be "YES" for slot 1, and "not necessarily" for slot 2. My reason being that slot 1 is used to both TANK lich damage and to help DPS the lichs. Slot 2 is more so just to tank.

Keeping in mind the order you play units in is the reverse of the order they are attacked in I believe you want to have a "being attacked" order of roughly...

Melee slot 2 (when it dies replace with tank-y lightning rods)
Melee slot 1 (when it dies replace with damage-y lightning rods)
Ranged slot 2
Ranged slot 1
Ranged slots 4-5 and then 3 or 3 and then 4-5 I'm unsure if your main healer staying up, or keeping all the DPS up, is more important.

Anyways that is my take as of right now. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Jay Rich

Would a bandit with more health be good for my healers to keep alive, I have both a CCed Alissa Maxed and CCed Iris lvl 40.

A 50CC50 Mortimer has about the same health as a 50CC60 Bernice, a lot less defense (useless versus the liches) and more than double the attack.

P.S. Do take a look at this video as well.

Originally Posted by JMich

A 50CC50 Mortimer has about the same health as a 50CC60 Bernice, a lot less defense (useless versus the liches) and more than double the attack.

P.S. Do take a look at this video as well.

Also, in the video linked notice the skill usage times at the 492 mark they seem pretty key.