Hina vs. Viera isn't actually a direct comparison. Viera, as a Sailor, is a gatekeeper, you activate her skill to deliberately let specific enemies pass, not to do ranged damage (though if you have, say, an AW Heavy in front of her, it's not a bad idea since it's unlikely you'd need her block at that point) while Hina is a ninja, constant range damage. If your focus for this choice is ranged melee, Hina wins easily since Viera only has range during skill.Originally Posted by DyingShadow
2nd question was answered? Well, hoping answer was Thetis because she obliterates Emilia in every category except during skill (and cost, obviously) and her AW ability, while niche, helps a ton when that niche is relevant
3rd: Elva's cost is rather prohibitive without using Reinforcement Soldiers, and maybe Valkyrie UP ramp on top of that, but she's a monster if you can deploy her consistently when you need the 2nd tank.
If you're looking for where to focus, I'd HIGHLY recommend pushing Aisha to 80 and AW her for that lovely Team HP Up, since she's already 78. Adele would be next, for a smaller HP Up boost that stacks with Aisha's, followed by either Katie or Zenobia (I'd go with Z since she's stronger fighter, can use Call for Reinforcements earlier, and Katie's 2% Defense Up team boost isn't much of a difference except on tanks like Bernice and Elva). Probably raise Minerva, Sophie and Elva with your black spirit/platinum armor combos if those are available. Lilia and Imelia are good choices for dueling, Lilia's already waiting to be AW, and Imelia's at CC50 so not too bad either.
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Elva is an expensive tweener but post Awakening she becomes everything Garrett wanted to be when he grew up. She can fill the role and while there's objectively tougher units to kill out there I'd expect that to be less of an issue on a team that will eventually have access to Adele, Aisha and Celia buffs. Imelia will end up with a hilarious amount of hps on your team someday.
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@IvanLedah21
thanks for your answer! Yes Thetis is the choice of duellist, while Emilia seems to fit her niche at rush maps
i guess i'll level up hina and viera while they both are on different niches, i just thought for maps where you (at least temporary) want a melee-ranged unit i'd use Viera instead while she has a much higher Atk, then i now realize i got to wait for skill activation....
I am currently working on getting aisha to 80, i am missing the awaken fooder units and Demon Crystals tho. Same for Lilia, no awaken spirit and missing 1 orb. Adele is my next focus to max level after Aisha i suppose, her buff would be pretty nice. Not sure if I want to use Adele + Memento + Yuyu tho... but Memento might be the situational replacement for Adele or yuyu depending on map anyways.....
I never use Kathie anymore since Zenobia is CCed to be fair, pretty much my "2nd soldier if i need a lot of UPs" I really love Imelia!!!! she is just super cute, too bad she has no CR at all >..< BUT i will AW her anyways, because she is just super nice <3 Still trying to figure out a good 15 Unit core for "daily mapping" tho i still have to try out what will be the most reliable/powerfull combination in the end
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seems good, Elva will be my 2nd tank then, also yeah Imelia will be halarious once i get all the buffs :O
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A few points on this: Originally Posted by DyingShadow
1) Memento isn't meant to be a general dps unit, her niche is when you want her skeletons as either bait dolls (like with the flying monsters in the newer East Kingdom maps since they have ranged attack they can MELT your ranged units if they aren't distracted) or as disposable fodder to slow down a unit that can't be blocked normally (this event's Hell map is an example, you do NOT want to block the pig demon with halved Attack and Defense when he's got 5k attack), for general magic damage you want witches (Adele/Yuyu for you), Rear Guard (Aisha) or Mages (Garania, Marius and maybe Mehlis if you want one a bit cheaper)
2) If you're planning on using Elva as a 2nd tank, you should note her stats are comparable to Shuka's but with MUCH higher HP and some MR, while Shuka has about 9 lower cost, so you should NOT think of her as a direct HA replacement, more of a offensive duelist that has a block of 2. Her attack speed is faster than Princesses, Bandits, Samurai and HAs without skill and gets ridiculous during skill (she attacks slightly more than twice as fast as Claudia with skill active) so even though her stats are on par to characters like Shuka and Momiji, her damage will be higher due to faster attack speed. But again, do NOT think of her as a tank with lots of staying power, because she isn't.
My recommendations for the daily X maps (can't see you handling any of the G maps right now except POSSIBLY Crystal Keeper):
Core: Zenobia, Aisha, Bernice, Spica, Bashira, Minerva, Garania, Marr, Camilla, Iris (potentially drop a healer once you're comfy)
Golden Armor: + Yuyu, Adele, Marius/Mehlis, Lilia
Spirit Rescue: + Leo (Bronze Soldier), Katie, Thetis/Emilia, Berna (emergency drop if a wolf gets away), Cellia (drop rate up)
Skyfallen gift: +Cuterie (Drop rate up), Mehlis/Marius, Yuyu, Zola, ditch Bernice (can't deploy melee)
Toast to Men: You're screwed with your current roster. Sorry.
Crystal Keeper: + Zola, Mehlis/Marius, Anelia
Note that some of the units here are going to need more levels (like Zola and especially Anelia, Leo too if you do use him, I prefer CR Phyllis myself)Last edited by IvanLedah21; 09-06-2016 at 12:23 PM.
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I do all the G maps, Derp derp besides Spirit Rescue, that one is still meh.. (also, fuck Toast to Men, i got some golds in my baracks (male units) but i just feel like those maps are waste of time and stamina/charisma right now) Internet Video Guides for the win <3 But yeah Elva will be more like an offensiv duelist, but she will be a "replacement" for a 2nd HA for now, since i simply do not have a 2nd
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Oh, so you already complete the G maps thanks to internet video guides? Cool, I underestimated the power of the internet lol XD Originally Posted by DyingShadow
As long as you understand Elva's limitations as a tank, you should be fine. Very few instances atm where you need a 2nd legit tank anyways.
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Yeah, Memento is one of those cases where her stat screen doesn't tell the whole story--her attack speed is comically slow so she ends up bringing very little to the table in dps. Plus, it must be understood that even if she did witch level dps it still wouldn't be that impressive without the slow effect or heavy token use. Witches only get by because they're so cheap to deploy and the good ones bring a nice smattering of utility to the table--slows are nice on maps where you'd rather shoot the fatties than tank them, Yuyu can greatly ease wall of magic and Adele brings a global buff to the table. Just smacking things around like Cloris is a quick trip to the bench. Originally Posted by IvanLedah21
It depends on how you look at it/where you draw the line since with current content the role of off-tank is typically far less intense than that of primary tank. I often get away with using a CC50 Garrett in that role and many people understandably consider the poor dude's attribute distribution to be a dumpster fire. Basically, tanking is often about reaching certain thresholds in Aigis War and 3k health/450+ armor is about where units become sturdy enough to throw down with a pissed off Mummy King. Honestly, I think the biggest argument against considering Elva for a secondary tank role is that so much of her durability gain comes only after being Awakened. That's a big investment for a role that can often be just barely be filled by Leeanne. She's kind of in the same boat as Momiji--more viable/bulky than people often imply but not really a standout, either. At least her skill is better though. Originally Posted by IvanLedah21
Last edited by kayfabe; 09-06-2016 at 11:30 PM.
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i see thanks to both of you, i'll keep that in mind when using elva.
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I hate Cloris, to me she's pretty much useless with Yuyu, Adele and Despara around, since like you said she gets nothing special (assassination chance we all know is unreliable, Yuyu is cheaper with higher attack that you can count on and Range Up helps with maps like War of Magic, and Adele and Despara... not even close. Originally Posted by kayfabe
Good point on the durability thresholds, and I DID mention that the need for a 2nd legit tank is rare. Using her as an offensive off-tank is reasonable in most cases. The AW durability comes from the Paladin class passive, right? Though to be fair, replacing Leanne with her means you don't need ranged support to actually kill said mobs lol. Like you say, it depends on if you're thinking of her as a tank (which she isn't) or an off-tank with more offense than most units that might be used as such (like Leanne)
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The passive helps but I mostly meant the raw stat upgrade, particularly that 49% increase in Defense. Dark Knights and Heavy Armor both get hit with UP increases post Awakening but they do appear to get an extra half scoop of stats in exchange. It's part of why I've been one of the people who favors Awakening Bernice before Iris--the latter unit is deployed more often but her benefit from Awakening is somewhat marginal compared to the boosts tank classes get. You don't always need bulky tanks but when you do they really make their presence felt.
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