Thread: Team Advice for Future Content

Originally Posted by Nero010

U dont AW just for the passive like everyone makes u think, also to make a unit stronger that u need to be even stronger stat wise and that can variey.

In our defense, the reason people get excited about the percentage based passive bonuses is that they're often competitive with or far better than other Awakening abilities even when applied only to their provider. For example, between elven plat stat distribution, Archer Attack Up and Excellent Arrow's power and duration Spica can reach the sheer attack power necessary to be a bread and butter unit on all but the most heavily armored of maps. She's just plain good even if you pair her with a vampire hunter, pirate or no one at all instead of another archer.

@lolix You're right that AW Sherry is probably the single biggest overall improvement to his team that one AW would make but that doesn't necessarily make it his best choice if it isn't enabling new maps. It's probably still just Spica IMO for higher Crystal Keeper difficulties, which means more DC which means faster future AW to improve his massive potential team. As I said though, if the opportunity comes to AW a unit and you think you have a better choice to enable another map then go for it. We are kind of splitting hairs at this point, but the game is a massive grind that could always be skipped with enough SC, so building towards a team that can farm more efficient options should always be the goal when deciding what to level first if progression is your primary motivation.

The easiest way for OP to answer his own question honestly (and this will work for any person with these sorts of "advice on what to level next") is to look at a guide for the next map you can't yet complete and figure out what you need to level to get there while taking into account any premium units you may or may not have available. Obviously you'd put more weight on beating the best story map option and higher thursday and monday daily options if possible since those tend to be your limiting factors. Event maps can supersede everything in the short term depending on what level of unit you're gunning for.

@Nero AW for higher stats is definitely nice, but don't be fooled, the passives and abilities are almost always the reason for deciding what to AW next. You just don't get enough for it to be worth it usually without some sort of percent boost to teammates or practical ability.

As an example, Spica's damage at 50cc70 100% aff is 502 and at AW99 is 589. To realize that 17% boost means leveling her from 1 to 50 again and throwing 11 plat armors and 33 plat spirits which could level multiple other units. It's even less if you don't go for max obviously. Compared to 20% extra dmg against flyers and 7% to ALL archers attack with no extra investment past the AW itself. Until we get harder maps, you just don't need that many stats per unit slot gained from levelling AW units.

To provide an exception, my next AW is going to be Bashira over multiple other "better" options (Lilia, Zola, Mehlis, Iris off the top of my head) even though her Priority Ranged ability is nearly useless. That's because a second AW archer will let me farm Crystal Keeper G over X since I already have the Artillery Officers levelled to handle the end rush. It will take me an average of 48 runs of G over X before I "earn back" the 100 DC I used on the AW and start turning a profit, which is about 3 months at 4 runs a day (saving up and running right after and before resets makes 4 runs a day possible, and even 5 runs at higher prince levels). This also doesn't even factor in the increased Charimsa cost either, which means a little less fodder acquisition during no event weeks, but I also get a bonus SC earlier for map completion. I've decided as small a bonus as that is that it's worth doing because I don't think delaying AW my more core units like Iris by 100 crystals will affect my ability to complete event maps in the meantime. Things could change if the event climate heats up but this is my perspective after 4-5 months of play. Most people wouldn't think about this or even care at all, but this is how I analyze things to get the most value out of my limited resources.

This turned into a wall of text but I hope my formatting was decent and everyone that stuck through managed to glean a bit of information from it.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

@lolix You're right that AW Sherry is probably the single biggest overall improvement to his team that one AW would make but that doesn't necessarily make it his best choice if it isn't enabling new maps. It's probably still just Spica IMO for higher Crystal Keeper difficulties, which means more DC which means faster future AW to improve his massive potential team. As I said though, if the opportunity comes to AW a unit and you think you have a better choice to enable another map then go for it. We are kind of splitting hairs at this point, but the game is a massive grind that could always be skipped with enough SC, so building towards a team that can farm more efficient options should always be the goal when deciding what to level first if progression is your primary motivation.

This already sums up what i was trying to say about AWing and also explains what i was saying about that u dont AW soley for passive abilitys. I never said Spica is not a high priority AW, just that she doesnt have to be always the #1 priority because it might be that needs are elsewhere. For example my first AW was Katie because i only have silver HAs (and befor last event they had skill 1/5) and i was in huge need of any way to boost the little tanking abilitys that i had not only because she gives a small but not unimportant 2% boost to def but also because HER stats do increase by an in clutch situations very important amount which enabled me to use her on some cases as a second heavy unit befor i had one. Not to speak of that shes (or was) one of my most used all case units and her having higher stats made many things easier. (i couldnt even cc a second silver heavy back then)
Sure spica AW would be by far more usefull. It wouldnt have helped me anything though at that time given my specific needs. And this is what im saying. U cant generalize AWing because "this buff is the best" u also always have to personaly make the decision which Unit you need you to carry further also taking thier stat increase into Account (and while just 50 atk more doesnt make a huge difference just 50 defence more does make a realy huge difference). If there is no such need and you are solid enough, then u always aim for the biggest team buff to edge out everything u have even more and Spica and Sherry suddenly become #1 priority.


@lolix
If you have no cred silvers or realy strong units that carry a lot on thier own (on max levels) there are more then enough maps where u can realy struggle with UP at the begining. I wasnt able to do the Valkyrie Daily Orb Mission because i lacked 1... 1!!! UP in the beginning to bring out my silver healer fast enough to keep prince alive from the first valk that rushes through. I had to -1CR her and wush suddenly i was able to do the whole map. And thats just one example where 1! Unit Point made the difference of winning or losing a map for me. Once u have cost reduced many silvers u easily tend to forget that there are a bunch of maps outside there u couldnt beat without them being low cost. And since Bashira is one of the Units u place realy early on maps having her on 14 instat of 15 cost (even if not increasing her skill which isnt very important) id take that everytime without any doubt or regret. Thats why i straight away CR/SUed my Spica once i got her. Helped me so many times.

I have 2 192 acounts , and playing for a year now. The total amount of cr-ed silvers i have are ....4 : 1 cr 2 elaine...which i haven't used in ages , 1 cr 1 dorca , which i don't use as my silver healer anyway , since she's level 30 and i have a non cr max lvl alisa. I'm too lazy to raise dorca....or i generally get other priorities , and that's it. Never had a use for cr archers (got nanaly at start , so i never got the need for other archers) , and never used silver witches...at all...or silver mages either.

The other account has 1 daniela (it lacks nanaly) and 1 alissa ...which i don't use since this account has better healers then the other one...including camilla



That's all. That's all the cr-ed silvers i have as a veteran player....and before u acuse me of having overpowered level crap , no , my acounts have only 1 black, after 1 year of playing on both , and that's nanaly
Cr-ed silvers are good to have , but faaar from being esential...and the same can be said for gold + units. There are units that are better to have at low cr then others (archers , healers and valks for example) , but you also have to ask yourself....is the investition worth it in the end ? To cr a gold ...well it's not a big deal. It's easy to cc (costs just 1 silver) and they are easier to come around. Hell if you're lucky , we're going to get a gold rush and get more. To cc a plat it's a lot more expensive , and the plat is worth a lot more as well. If you are a free player , aiming not to use money , that wants to get the very powerful premium units with rainbow curency , i'd suggest you rather keep all your gold + copies for that





Now that we talked about cr-ing and non cr-ing bashira , let's talk sherry....again.

I agree , that i'd awaken spica first as well in any other condition, but he wants to be able to complete events right away (which is why i suggested he stay out of the next one and level himself up). Assuming he doesn't want to sit the next one out , the single best way to improve his army fast , without leveling a ton of units , is by awakening sherry , since as i pointed out : all his witches are gold...all his mages are gold even , his healers are gold...even his heavy is gold right now.
At the same time , she will fill the role of duelist (not the strongest , but because of her passive she's the best to level up first)


Assuming he decides to stay the valk event out (and he should since he has clissa) , he should indeed go for spica first since she will help him get more dc faster and therefore awaken other stuff sooner. But if he does indeed want to tackle the next event , outsife of leveling the stuff i named earlier in my other post (spica , healers , jerome - he also has a great awakening passive btw , yuyu and a duelist ), the single best way to improve his team is for that duelist to be the one unit that buffs his entire army....even if she is not exactly his best duelist....

I don't disagree @Nero, my first AW myself was Katie because I lacked the 2nd CCed heavy to beat BSII for commission sortie farm, but that was in a different climate altogether. The buff patch means you only need 1 CCed heavy and no AW to do it now and X and G difficulty dailies weren't a thing on Nutaku yet so Spica wasn't the huge priority she is now. I can't even come up with a scenario of early Shrine summons where I still wouldn't 100% be AW Spica as first AW with current patch.

As to reducing silvers, I'd look over more guides or your deployment as I did all the Orb maps without any CRed silvers or Goddess buff. Some are definitely harder than others and I recall having trouble on some but I got it all done pre buff patch so it's definitely possible. I do definitely think CRing silvers in the long haul is worth it as you get so many more compared to higher rarities, especially Alissa and Dorca which will get a lot of mileage even on hard maps with lots of AW units needed, but it's not a priority and I'd want plenty of spares for AW fodder before I start combining.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't disagree @Nero, my first AW myself was Katie because I lacked the 2nd CCed heavy to beat BSII for commission sortie farm, but that was in a different climate altogether. The buff patch means you only need 1 CCed heavy and no AW to do it now and X and G difficulty dailies weren't a thing on Nutaku yet so Spica wasn't the huge priority she is now. I can't even come up with a scenario of early Shrine summons where I still wouldn't 100% be AW Spica as first AW with current patch.

As to reducing silvers, I'd look over more guides or your deployment as I did all the Orb maps without any CRed silvers or Goddess buff. Some are definitely harder than others and I recall having trouble on some but I got it all done pre buff patch so it's definitely possible. I do definitely think CRing silvers in the long haul is worth it as you get so many more compared to higher rarities, especially Alissa and Dorca which will get a lot of mileage even on hard maps with lots of AW units needed, but it's not a priority and I'd want plenty of spares for AW fodder before I start combining.

This is kiiinda out of topic but i still want to answer on it.
This one
If you dont have an CCed silver Archer at 10 cost but instat have to use for example shao at 13 cost (or Spica reduced to 13) (which is the case for me and there are a bunch of "newer" players who havent cced silver archers cause we got so many event archers lately). Lacking these 3 UP u will be even if u place a silver healer at full 18UP instat of Iris with 20UP, exactly 1 UP short which results in prince being killed by the valk. Tried it several times. Only with CRing my silver healer to 17UP i could outbalance the 3 more UP i had to spend on an archer (not to forget that this silver archer is two times cost reduced). Another problem later on, pre patch u had to have your heavy at skill level 4/5 to be able to survive clissa and the black armor from the left, also having your silver heavy at full 21 cost rather then 18 like in the guide makes it realy tight getting it out fast enough to use the skill in time, its stressfull in general. My skill was 1/5. The only way i got around this was switching in a third healer earlier then in the guide and catching the black armor from the left with a princess.
There you have your guide where at least one cred silver and heavly increased skill level was needed. At least the high skill level isnt needed anymore after the patch. The UP doesnt change.

i've done that map without silver cr-ed archers , on my non nanaly acount without a cr-ed spica or shao btw.

A map can be done in different ways , u know