Thread: Team Advice for Future Content

Originally Posted by Unregistered

@lolix You're right that AW Sherry is probably the single biggest overall improvement to his team that one AW would make but that doesn't necessarily make it his best choice if it isn't enabling new maps. It's probably still just Spica IMO for higher Crystal Keeper difficulties, which means more DC which means faster future AW to improve his massive potential team. As I said though, if the opportunity comes to AW a unit and you think you have a better choice to enable another map then go for it. We are kind of splitting hairs at this point, but the game is a massive grind that could always be skipped with enough SC, so building towards a team that can farm more efficient options should always be the goal when deciding what to level first if progression is your primary motivation.

This already sums up what i was trying to say about AWing and also explains what i was saying about that u dont AW soley for passive abilitys. I never said Spica is not a high priority AW, just that she doesnt have to be always the #1 priority because it might be that needs are elsewhere. For example my first AW was Katie because i only have silver HAs (and befor last event they had skill 1/5) and i was in huge need of any way to boost the little tanking abilitys that i had not only because she gives a small but not unimportant 2% boost to def but also because HER stats do increase by an in clutch situations very important amount which enabled me to use her on some cases as a second heavy unit befor i had one. Not to speak of that shes (or was) one of my most used all case units and her having higher stats made many things easier. (i couldnt even cc a second silver heavy back then)
Sure spica AW would be by far more usefull. It wouldnt have helped me anything though at that time given my specific needs. And this is what im saying. U cant generalize AWing because "this buff is the best" u also always have to personaly make the decision which Unit you need you to carry further also taking thier stat increase into Account (and while just 50 atk more doesnt make a huge difference just 50 defence more does make a realy huge difference). If there is no such need and you are solid enough, then u always aim for the biggest team buff to edge out everything u have even more and Spica and Sherry suddenly become #1 priority.


@lolix
If you have no cred silvers or realy strong units that carry a lot on thier own (on max levels) there are more then enough maps where u can realy struggle with UP at the begining. I wasnt able to do the Valkyrie Daily Orb Mission because i lacked 1... 1!!! UP in the beginning to bring out my silver healer fast enough to keep prince alive from the first valk that rushes through. I had to -1CR her and wush suddenly i was able to do the whole map. And thats just one example where 1! Unit Point made the difference of winning or losing a map for me. Once u have cost reduced many silvers u easily tend to forget that there are a bunch of maps outside there u couldnt beat without them being low cost. And since Bashira is one of the Units u place realy early on maps having her on 14 instat of 15 cost (even if not increasing her skill which isnt very important) id take that everytime without any doubt or regret. Thats why i straight away CR/SUed my Spica once i got her. Helped me so many times.

I have 2 192 acounts , and playing for a year now. The total amount of cr-ed silvers i have are ....4 : 1 cr 2 elaine...which i haven't used in ages , 1 cr 1 dorca , which i don't use as my silver healer anyway , since she's level 30 and i have a non cr max lvl alisa. I'm too lazy to raise dorca....or i generally get other priorities , and that's it. Never had a use for cr archers (got nanaly at start , so i never got the need for other archers) , and never used silver witches...at all...or silver mages either.

The other account has 1 daniela (it lacks nanaly) and 1 alissa ...which i don't use since this account has better healers then the other one...including camilla



That's all. That's all the cr-ed silvers i have as a veteran player....and before u acuse me of having overpowered level crap , no , my acounts have only 1 black, after 1 year of playing on both , and that's nanaly
Cr-ed silvers are good to have , but faaar from being esential...and the same can be said for gold + units. There are units that are better to have at low cr then others (archers , healers and valks for example) , but you also have to ask yourself....is the investition worth it in the end ? To cr a gold ...well it's not a big deal. It's easy to cc (costs just 1 silver) and they are easier to come around. Hell if you're lucky , we're going to get a gold rush and get more. To cc a plat it's a lot more expensive , and the plat is worth a lot more as well. If you are a free player , aiming not to use money , that wants to get the very powerful premium units with rainbow curency , i'd suggest you rather keep all your gold + copies for that





Now that we talked about cr-ing and non cr-ing bashira , let's talk sherry....again.

I agree , that i'd awaken spica first as well in any other condition, but he wants to be able to complete events right away (which is why i suggested he stay out of the next one and level himself up). Assuming he doesn't want to sit the next one out , the single best way to improve his army fast , without leveling a ton of units , is by awakening sherry , since as i pointed out : all his witches are gold...all his mages are gold even , his healers are gold...even his heavy is gold right now.
At the same time , she will fill the role of duelist (not the strongest , but because of her passive she's the best to level up first)


Assuming he decides to stay the valk event out (and he should since he has clissa) , he should indeed go for spica first since she will help him get more dc faster and therefore awaken other stuff sooner. But if he does indeed want to tackle the next event , outsife of leveling the stuff i named earlier in my other post (spica , healers , jerome - he also has a great awakening passive btw , yuyu and a duelist ), the single best way to improve his team is for that duelist to be the one unit that buffs his entire army....even if she is not exactly his best duelist....

I don't disagree @Nero, my first AW myself was Katie because I lacked the 2nd CCed heavy to beat BSII for commission sortie farm, but that was in a different climate altogether. The buff patch means you only need 1 CCed heavy and no AW to do it now and X and G difficulty dailies weren't a thing on Nutaku yet so Spica wasn't the huge priority she is now. I can't even come up with a scenario of early Shrine summons where I still wouldn't 100% be AW Spica as first AW with current patch.

As to reducing silvers, I'd look over more guides or your deployment as I did all the Orb maps without any CRed silvers or Goddess buff. Some are definitely harder than others and I recall having trouble on some but I got it all done pre buff patch so it's definitely possible. I do definitely think CRing silvers in the long haul is worth it as you get so many more compared to higher rarities, especially Alissa and Dorca which will get a lot of mileage even on hard maps with lots of AW units needed, but it's not a priority and I'd want plenty of spares for AW fodder before I start combining.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

I don't disagree @Nero, my first AW myself was Katie because I lacked the 2nd CCed heavy to beat BSII for commission sortie farm, but that was in a different climate altogether. The buff patch means you only need 1 CCed heavy and no AW to do it now and X and G difficulty dailies weren't a thing on Nutaku yet so Spica wasn't the huge priority she is now. I can't even come up with a scenario of early Shrine summons where I still wouldn't 100% be AW Spica as first AW with current patch.

As to reducing silvers, I'd look over more guides or your deployment as I did all the Orb maps without any CRed silvers or Goddess buff. Some are definitely harder than others and I recall having trouble on some but I got it all done pre buff patch so it's definitely possible. I do definitely think CRing silvers in the long haul is worth it as you get so many more compared to higher rarities, especially Alissa and Dorca which will get a lot of mileage even on hard maps with lots of AW units needed, but it's not a priority and I'd want plenty of spares for AW fodder before I start combining.

This is kiiinda out of topic but i still want to answer on it.
This one
If you dont have an CCed silver Archer at 10 cost but instat have to use for example shao at 13 cost (or Spica reduced to 13) (which is the case for me and there are a bunch of "newer" players who havent cced silver archers cause we got so many event archers lately). Lacking these 3 UP u will be even if u place a silver healer at full 18UP instat of Iris with 20UP, exactly 1 UP short which results in prince being killed by the valk. Tried it several times. Only with CRing my silver healer to 17UP i could outbalance the 3 more UP i had to spend on an archer (not to forget that this silver archer is two times cost reduced). Another problem later on, pre patch u had to have your heavy at skill level 4/5 to be able to survive clissa and the black armor from the left, also having your silver heavy at full 21 cost rather then 18 like in the guide makes it realy tight getting it out fast enough to use the skill in time, its stressfull in general. My skill was 1/5. The only way i got around this was switching in a third healer earlier then in the guide and catching the black armor from the left with a princess.
There you have your guide where at least one cred silver and heavly increased skill level was needed. At least the high skill level isnt needed anymore after the patch. The UP doesnt change.

i've done that map without silver cr-ed archers , on my non nanaly acount without a cr-ed spica or shao btw.

A map can be done in different ways , u know

Agree with lolix, the tuesday and wednesday maps were the easier ones imo. I did use the max cr Shao though with this guide which I forgot costs one less than a max cost silver. I actually still don't have a CCed silver archer because I started the week before Shao event which was enough to get stars for perfect Shao no Shuka and just use her over any silver. Lots of guides use two reduced silver archers on maps (thinking of key kii) but I just have to change strat or usually extra power on Bashira or Spica will make up for cost. But then this guide didn't even have max unit lvls which I did before going for orbs. Perhaps you had a particularly low prince lvl to not survive to the healer deploy?

Progress Report: Spent all of the gems I had trying to get plat armors last monday, only managed to get 5 though. Maxed Sherry because I was in desperate need of a duelist and am still considering Awakening Sherry over Jerome since I already 3*'d Immortal Beast which was my first goal. Should be finishing off Mehlis this weekend as well. Bernice should be finished early in the week since she is near max as well. Next on the list is raising Spica to 70 for awakening, although honestly the event might take precedence since I can farm pseudo armors in the form of event plats. I really need healers anyways. So far I can clear Golden Armor X which is nice, but I'm still stuck on Spirit Rescue H and A Toast to Men H so they might determine who is next. Once I can clear Base Scramble II I think I'll have a much better idea which direction I will need to go for my team. I REALLY want to be farming Spirit Rescue X though so I'll need to find out how to clear that without Awakening Jerome. 9/10 Sophie really is very taunting.

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Originally Posted by lolix

i've done that map without silver cr-ed archers , on my non nanaly acount without a cr-ed spica or shao btw.

A map can be done in different ways , u know

Guess i have to be a total idiot or a brickwall up my face then if i had the option to beat the map all the time befor my nose and still couldnt do it with what i had. Must be my pure stupidity that 5-10 tries didnt work out whatever strategie i used because UP didnt magicaly change. But i guess my argument is invalid just because u had the luck to get around the need of cring units and my experiences that cr units can save your ass many times or even make or break a map have been completly wrong. At least thats what u repeat over and over and nothing else you contribute. With the units given the standart nutaku guides give though theres no way to do it without an cred silver (cred archer) and theres no event unit or fency aw passiv whatsoever that i couldve traded in to make it work at that time. Show me a way to do the map with these units without having any cred pre patch, i crave to see it. Btw. i had my spica at non cc lvl 50 at that time cause it took 3 months for an event to appear where i could farm silver archers again (Memento says hi). Just having an AW spica with her AW passive could be potentialy making up enough for its 2 more UP so the combined incresed ATK of bashira and her take down the valk so it cant attack long enough to kill the prince while units like non AWed Shao or silvers cant do that. Sorry. I just cant take your "I did it duh" without any informations and say "oh all my experiences been wrong dude". Sorry for my tone but you kinda offend me even if you dont intend too, i count myself having enough selfawarness that i dont tell lies about what i experienced not even without knowing.

My Prince was between level 130-140 when i was doing the map for the first times so i doubt his level was too low. I started right befor the Shuka event so i got Shao not max cost reduced only at 13 UP. 1!! Unit Point too much. (Remember again it was 1 UP that was making or breaking the map for me which is my whole point for cring over saving for some fancy maybe some day appearing rainbow currency for which we still have "years" to gather fodders for)

You can use this Guide. You can replace Leeanne (or bernice in your case) with sherry. Sherry shreds through these silver wolves like through butter its crazy. U can also replace Khuri with Bashira or Spica on high lvl. Even though i would recommend you to have an Khrui around if u dont have any other VH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7CwhsidUAw

I pretty much used this on my non nanaly acount. I just used a normal daniela instead of a cr-ed one and a silver healer instead of the iris. (same UP cost in total ).Also u start bashiras skill after the first rogue dies (or when its close to die) . SO tell me more how its impossible to do it without a cr silver archer , when ive literally done it without.


Just because you fucked up your deploy order or whatever , it doesnt mean that everyone would. And no , i didnt taken it personal , but i get the thing that youre doing it , which you shouldnt , because its not