Thread: Is it time to riot?

Originally Posted by Overload

But why reward the japanese devs, who are at major fault that nutaku aigis is at quite a bit of stalemate?
This fact and the fact I can't japanese is the reason that I'll most likely never touch dmm aigis even though I thought about it multiple times.

Fuck that shit political game that nutaku and the jap devs are playing. I support good content creation.
Naturally being an english speaker, I am biased toward nutaku.
But when they fail to deliver, most of the time, they blame it on the japanese devs and then claim innocence.
For years EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Only a fool will continue to trust them.

WHO DECIDED TO ANNOUNCE NEWS BEFORE BEING ABLE TO CONFIRMING THE PRODUCT? EVER HEARD OF CONTRACTS?
Clearly if they had written contracts and DMM isn't able to uphold, they are liable. DOESN'T SEEM THAT WAY TO ME.
As nutaku themselves say, they are a small team (mostly marketing people imo) and DMM games require a consistent dedicated team of programmers.


Aigis is a good game and well developed product. I support that.
The translations and porting over of the english version is slow and terribly done. I supported the idea but not the process. I no longer support that.

Who deserves to be rewarded is clear in my mind.
If a company keeps blaming external factors for years and still has that same problem today, is a lousy company.

Justify it however you want, but you got a second rate service from both your "good content creators" as well as Nutaku and now you want to reward the first party for pissing on you and calling it rain.

Originally Posted by Talith

Justify it however you want, but you got a second rate service from both your "good content creators" as well as Nutaku and now you want to reward the first party for pissing on you and calling it rain.

You are mistaken. When I take out my wallet and pay for content, I expect good content.

When I pay DMM, I expect that from DMM.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect that from Nutaku.

If nutaku makes promises but doesn't keep them, I don't blame DMM for promises nutaku has made. I dont need excuses, I just pay another content provider.

I would love to mindlessly pick up a pitchfork to crucify whoever nutaku tells me to point at, and i did that for half a year. But nutaku's blanket statements never changes and i grow weary of waiting. I can only assume 1. they cant incentivize the devs effectively (cost vs returns not enough) 2. they are too busy with their other projects (either one or both of them) 3. communication breakdown - all speculation but I would love an official statement to correct me.

Either way, I did not let biased views, stop me from at least trying out a FREE superior version of a game I enjoy.
At least, as a direct user of DMM, they keep their promises. Constant entertainment. Frequent events and they even celebrate holidays.

DMM is a big company. Their website alone generates 500+ million USD a year. The people implementing aigis content and those in contact with nutaku might very well be different parts of the company.

Personally, I would try out both sides before jumping to conclusions.

Here they say that thing.



And they suddenly changed their mind?



And are we going to believe their sh*t anymore? Especially after their recent failures...

It's the same sh!t, only under different sauce. Both mean no takeover, both mean JP devs continue their tyrannical reign, both mean Nutaku can't do a thing. Second one just sounds nicer

Sorry buttlover. You can fanboy all you like but Talith has the right of it. Those JP devs are giving the shaft to our version one way or another or we would have content here, and by paying for DMM content you support those actions.

Most of us are English speakers who either aren't willing to put up with playing in JP or are too invested (money and/or time) in the Nutaku version before realizing the reality of how things work here. For those people, both companies get nothing if the Nutaku version fails. Not everyone is willing to just migrate over barring some sort of one time account transfer (read: not happening). No numbers to back this obviously, but I would actually say that is most of the userbase, as those who like playing on DMM are already likely there. We will likely never know the truth of what exactly is getting in the way of content being delivered here as we only have Nutaku's side of the story, and it isn't a telling tale.

On the other hand, one thing I haven't seen mentioned at all is that if negotiations fell through on content coordination, then everything we've had in the last month or so that many were attributing to Nutaku takeover was actually JP devs. Fewer breaks and added systems like RC, Balance patch etc. gives me hope that we will at least see more steady content (no month long breaks). I'm still with most players in that I'm not dropping another dime until we get a TP rotation and the revivals that we should have by now though.

Originally Posted by ZeroZet

It's the same sh!t, only under different sauce. Both mean no takeover, both mean JP devs continue their tyrannical reign, both mean Nutaku can't do a thing. Second one just sounds nicer

Are you by any chance ninja nutaku staff that were at the negotiating table during the takeover?
How is it that you have such a firm idea of what actually happened?

All nutaku ever says is a huge post of empty promises that they are demanding from the japan devs, quickly followed by a two liner statement explaining why it is the japanese dev's fault.
Perhaps you are actually a professional deciphers that can interpret the fallout through the 2 liners provided.

Have you ever considered other situations?
- Nutaku tried to take over the english aigis workload for the past couple of months and FAILED after realizing it was too diffcult for their team, so they handled the ball back to the devs?
- A clash of schedules as nutaku is expanding into non-dmm games so they aren't dependent on dmm while aigis devs don't feel the nutaku are committed to their product
- A breech of contract during the takeover

Aren't these scenarios just as likely as the "aigis dev refusing to cooperate because they just want to milk us" retarded idea.

IF NUTAKU COULD STOP TALKING IN 2 LINERS, AND START EXPLAINING THE SITUATION, THAT WILL BE GREAT.

Originally Posted by Sasha

Swapping to the DMM version is just cuddling up to the guys that just pissed on you and saying they won't do that to me here with DMM watching. When Aigis starts to die on DMM, DMM will do nothing to help out, games come and go there, it just means another game will fill the gap. And Aigis is starting to age though thats no indicater of how long it'll last.

I am in no way saying don't swap to the DMM side to play the game, just be aware of how easily you can be fucked over again by the devs, they follow the money which is currently Aigis on DMM, if they make a better money making game Aigis could easily be sidelined on DMM.

If swapping to DMM is cuddling up to them. Then isn't only playing nutaku, reveal how cucked you are?
You get cheated of your money, constantly lied to and only to be disappointed as they laugh at you with fresh smug gif memes.

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Yet like a bruised housewife in abusive relationship, you still defend them.
Sounds like some hardcore fanboy right there.

Nutaku has the same business practices of DMM, except they cant write their own games. So either way you are getting fucked.
But if a game get boring of course, it deserves to be sidelined.
We pay for content to get entertained, only idiots give money to people based on false promises. *hint*

Don't worry about the existence of an english version of aigis, it opens a huge new market to the devs and will always be a key factor to getting players. The question is why isn't aigis open to making more money? If only nutaku trolls us less, we might find out.

Sorry to butt in on this conversation, but I find it more likely that Nutaku had little to no negotiations with the DMM side prior to announcing their "takeover". So the deal didn't fall through due to unseen circumstances, they just announced that they would do it with nothing concrete on the table. I find this likely because the exact same thing has happened before, or so I'm told: Nutaku assured the community for months that they were working on localizing TABA, only to later reveal that they didn't even have the contract for it.

Of course, they could have avoided this situation if they did the sane thing and announced their takeover after they had made it official with the Japanese side. But this is not their aim; their aim is to prolong the life of this game by giving people hope. To their credit, they were very successful at this.

Still, it's kind of bizarre that people are taking Nutaku's half-baked "uhh guys DMM did it here's your excuse now keep paying us like the idiots you are" claims for granted. I mean, this is the company that failed to deliver on nearly every promise it made, and outright lied to its community on multiple occasions, but surely they're perfectly honest when they say that the DMM side is responsible for everything, right?

Right?

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i feel that recent changes to nutaku Aigis is meant to make maintaining it easier in codebase term

updating all unit stats to dmm current means maintaining only 1 set of codebase even if it means broken balance for events

the ui has been updated to have revival

there is rainbow gem turn in

maybe japanese devs are trying to make it easier to support english aigis

but... the event rate still sucks and someone mentioned that it benefit dmm for players to go directly to dmm, so...

Originally Posted by buttlover

If swapping to DMM is cuddling up to them. Then isn't only playing nutaku, reveal how cucked you are?
You get cheated of your money, constantly lied to and only to be disappointed as they laugh at you with fresh smug gif memes.

Yet like a bruised housewife in abusive relationship, you still defend them.
Sounds like some hardcore fanboy right there.

Yes thats exactly what I said, but how in the hell am I defending Nutaku?
Just because I tell you to watch out for for the devs doesn't mean I am defending Nutaku, on the other hand you are acting like DMM and the devs can do you no wrong.

You sound like the fanboy straight after swapping to another version of Aigis.

Originally Posted by buttlover

When I pay DMM, I expect that from DMM.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect that from Nutaku.

I see that as the problem, expecting anything from either Nutaku or DMM is wrong, specially DMM as they do fuck all in regards to Aigis.
When I pay DMM, I expect good content from Aigis devs.
When I pay Nutaku, I expect good content from Aigis devs.
This is what you should expect, same as for other types of games like when Fromsoftware makes Dark Souls series, do you blame Bandai Namco for messing large parts of it up?

Aigis devs are the same people doing the content for both sides, DMM doesn't make them do anything, money does. DMM has far more things going for it than Nutaku that losing Aigis wouldn't mean much. Nutaku want Aigis to stay and the devs know they have them over a barrel and don't need to do much, its survived this long with people still paying tons.

Swapping to the DMM version is just cuddling up to the guys that just pissed on you and saying they won't do that to me here with DMM watching. When Aigis starts to die on DMM, DMM will do nothing to help out, games come and go there, it just means another game will fill the gap. And Aigis is starting to age though thats no indicater of how long it'll last.

I am in no way saying don't swap to the DMM side to play the game, just be aware of how easily you can be fucked over again by the devs, they follow the money which is currently Aigis on DMM, if they make a better money making game Aigis could easily be sidelined on DMM.