Thread: Is it time to riot?

Originally Posted by ZeroZet

It's the same sh!t, only under different sauce. Both mean no takeover, both mean JP devs continue their tyrannical reign, both mean Nutaku can't do a thing. Second one just sounds nicer

Are you by any chance ninja nutaku staff that were at the negotiating table during the takeover?
How is it that you have such a firm idea of what actually happened?

All nutaku ever says is a huge post of empty promises that they are demanding from the japan devs, quickly followed by a two liner statement explaining why it is the japanese dev's fault.
Perhaps you are actually a professional deciphers that can interpret the fallout through the 2 liners provided.

Have you ever considered other situations?
- Nutaku tried to take over the english aigis workload for the past couple of months and FAILED after realizing it was too diffcult for their team, so they handled the ball back to the devs?
- A clash of schedules as nutaku is expanding into non-dmm games so they aren't dependent on dmm while aigis devs don't feel the nutaku are committed to their product
- A breech of contract during the takeover

Aren't these scenarios just as likely as the "aigis dev refusing to cooperate because they just want to milk us" retarded idea.

IF NUTAKU COULD STOP TALKING IN 2 LINERS, AND START EXPLAINING THE SITUATION, THAT WILL BE GREAT.

Originally Posted by Sasha

Swapping to the DMM version is just cuddling up to the guys that just pissed on you and saying they won't do that to me here with DMM watching. When Aigis starts to die on DMM, DMM will do nothing to help out, games come and go there, it just means another game will fill the gap. And Aigis is starting to age though thats no indicater of how long it'll last.

I am in no way saying don't swap to the DMM side to play the game, just be aware of how easily you can be fucked over again by the devs, they follow the money which is currently Aigis on DMM, if they make a better money making game Aigis could easily be sidelined on DMM.

If swapping to DMM is cuddling up to them. Then isn't only playing nutaku, reveal how cucked you are?
You get cheated of your money, constantly lied to and only to be disappointed as they laugh at you with fresh smug gif memes.

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Yet like a bruised housewife in abusive relationship, you still defend them.
Sounds like some hardcore fanboy right there.

Nutaku has the same business practices of DMM, except they cant write their own games. So either way you are getting fucked.
But if a game get boring of course, it deserves to be sidelined.
We pay for content to get entertained, only idiots give money to people based on false promises. *hint*

Don't worry about the existence of an english version of aigis, it opens a huge new market to the devs and will always be a key factor to getting players. The question is why isn't aigis open to making more money? If only nutaku trolls us less, we might find out.

Sorry to butt in on this conversation, but I find it more likely that Nutaku had little to no negotiations with the DMM side prior to announcing their "takeover". So the deal didn't fall through due to unseen circumstances, they just announced that they would do it with nothing concrete on the table. I find this likely because the exact same thing has happened before, or so I'm told: Nutaku assured the community for months that they were working on localizing TABA, only to later reveal that they didn't even have the contract for it.

Of course, they could have avoided this situation if they did the sane thing and announced their takeover after they had made it official with the Japanese side. But this is not their aim; their aim is to prolong the life of this game by giving people hope. To their credit, they were very successful at this.

Still, it's kind of bizarre that people are taking Nutaku's half-baked "uhh guys DMM did it here's your excuse now keep paying us like the idiots you are" claims for granted. I mean, this is the company that failed to deliver on nearly every promise it made, and outright lied to its community on multiple occasions, but surely they're perfectly honest when they say that the DMM side is responsible for everything, right?

Right?

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i feel that recent changes to nutaku Aigis is meant to make maintaining it easier in codebase term

updating all unit stats to dmm current means maintaining only 1 set of codebase even if it means broken balance for events

the ui has been updated to have revival

there is rainbow gem turn in

maybe japanese devs are trying to make it easier to support english aigis

but... the event rate still sucks and someone mentioned that it benefit dmm for players to go directly to dmm, so...

Originally Posted by buttlover

If swapping to DMM is cuddling up to them. Then isn't only playing nutaku, reveal how cucked you are?
You get cheated of your money, constantly lied to and only to be disappointed as they laugh at you with fresh smug gif memes.

Yet like a bruised housewife in abusive relationship, you still defend them.
Sounds like some hardcore fanboy right there.

Yes thats exactly what I said, but how in the hell am I defending Nutaku?
Just because I tell you to watch out for for the devs doesn't mean I am defending Nutaku, on the other hand you are acting like DMM and the devs can do you no wrong.

You sound like the fanboy straight after swapping to another version of Aigis.

Originally Posted by Sasha

You sound like the fanboy straight after swapping to another version of Aigis.

This what i've felt too.
I've been in dmm aigis discussions or in chat rooms for some time, never heard one guy complaining about something, they always discuss about in-game stuff, debate over them, not any chat about dev or promises or something like that. Ofc he is right to not to give a damn, i would do the same because you're comfortable with where you at after all. I can easily say, especially after damn S-Legend stamp card shit and many players started playing dmm after seeing failures of nutaku (we cant be certain if its nutakus failure or not, but people see it that way already) i guess dmm found the potential money on our community and wants to control it instead giving it away to some publisher despite how they will bother themselves providing us same old style content...

Originally Posted by Sasha

Yes thats exactly what I said, but how in the hell am I defending Nutaku?
Just because I tell you to watch out for for the devs doesn't mean I am defending Nutaku, on the other hand you are acting like DMM and the devs can do you no wrong.

You sound like the fanboy straight after swapping to another version of Aigis.

I just gave the direct opposite opinion to your point and you agreed with it as if It was your point all along. haHA.
The moment when you are so cucked, you don't even realize what other people are saying.

What i am advocating is the FREEDOM to pick what game you want to play, and EXPERIENCING both platforms FOR FREE before giving judgement.
What you are supporting is a trumpian view, BUILD A WALL. DONT LET ANYONE CROSS THE OTHER SIDE AND SPEND MONEY. THOSE AIGIS DEVS ARE MURDERERS AND RAPISTS THAT WILL JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND DUMP YOUR CORPSE.

Sure you talk as if you don't support nutaku yet you are doing EXACTLY what they say, "hey I cant do xxx, because jap devs. *hint*Go pitchfork them* "
Classic definition of clucked.

Really, this thread is just exposing all the bitter whales that spent too much time/money and aren't willing to try something new that is FREE AND DON'T HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
I don't even like the aigis devs (they dont speak my language and the english ver sucks) but when the game is good, I call it as it is. I am not going to deny myself a BETTER EXPERIENCE because you are all bitter.
"Going to DMM is going to kill nutaku". Such BULLSHIT, why cant you play BOTH? Why can't you play FREE games without paying?

AND even if i spend money, WHY is it I have support the company that has only disappointed? Do you THINK I wanna put in so much effort to play a game in a language i dont speak? DUDE, EVERYONE THAT PLAYS DMM was JUST LIKE YOU. I just highly doubt that the english version will be as enjoyable in the near future.

I play both FKG on nutaku and DMM with equal enjoyment. And i hope Aigis can do something similar but clearly there are some complicated issues going behind which according to nutaku isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. At least my "freedom of choice" allows me to play what I enjoy while the rest of you bitter whales sulk. haHA.

Buttlover, you are becoming quite toxic. Why not tone it down a bit? It's good to disagree but toxicity shows immaturity.
I've accounts on both versions and I'm a fluent Japanese speaker as I used to be a fansub translator over a decade ago, yet I enjoy the Nutaku version more as it's not as overwhelming for new players as DMM aigis is.
From where I stand, both parties are at fault here. DMM for their greed which Japanese devs are quite infamous for and Nutaku for their ineptitude. There's no reason to begin flaming each other.

Originally Posted by SabishiiRyuu

Buttlover, you are becoming quite toxic. Why not tone it down a bit? It's good to disagree but toxicity shows immaturity.
I've accounts on both versions and I'm a fluent Japanese speaker as I used to be a fansub translator over a decade ago, yet I enjoy the Nutaku version more as it's not as overwhelming for new players as DMM aigis is.
From where I stand, both parties are at fault here. DMM for their greed which Japanese devs are quite infamous for and Nutaku for their ineptitude. There's no reason to begin flaming each other.

Valid points mate, you are right there. On general, most aigis related conversations are logical and informative, like how ramazan pointed out. We want information to improve our gameplay.

Sadly logic doesn't apply to everyone, much less this particular thread. I am merely adapting my replies to suit their emotional packed responses. Sometimes to get a point across, you have to be machiavellian. Having to reply against the tidal wave of ridiculous assumptions haven't made it easier.

But it is entertaining to read the constant irrational hatred over good content when that is what they actually seek, just delivered in different medium.
I have to agree on the advantages of having the nutaku version, I probably wouldn't have played if I was suddenly given the DMM version at the start.
Too much things at once, to the point of feeling crushed.

Although most long time users are seeking for that kind of content now.

Originally Posted by buttlover

I just gave the direct opposite opinion to your point and you agreed with it as if It was your point all along. haHA.
The moment when you are so cucked, you don't even realize what other people are saying.

What i am advocating is the FREEDOM to pick what game you want to play, and EXPERIENCING both platforms FOR FREE before giving judgement.
What you are supporting is a trumpian view, BUILD A WALL. DONT LET ANYONE CROSS THE OTHER SIDE AND SPEND MONEY. THOSE AIGIS DEVS ARE MURDERERS AND RAPISTS THAT WILL JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND DUMP YOUR CORPSE.

Sure you talk as if you don't support nutaku yet you are doing EXACTLY what they say, "hey I cant do xxx, because jap devs. *hint*Go pitchfork them* "
Classic definition of clucked.

Really, this thread is just exposing all the bitter whales that spent too much time/money and aren't willing to try something new that is FREE AND DON'T HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR IT.
I don't even like the aigis devs (they dont speak my language and the english ver sucks) but when the game is good, I call it as it is. I am not going to deny myself a BETTER EXPERIENCE because you are all bitter.
"Going to DMM is going to kill nutaku". Such BULLSHIT, why cant you play BOTH? Why can't you play FREE games without paying?

AND even if i spend money, WHY is it I have support the company that has only disappointed? Do you THINK I wanna put in so much effort to play a game in a language i dont speak? DUDE, EVERYONE THAT PLAYS DMM was JUST LIKE YOU. I just highly doubt that the english version will be as enjoyable in the near future.

I play both FKG on nutaku and DMM with equal enjoyment. And i hope Aigis can do something similar but clearly there are some complicated issues going behind which according to nutaku isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. At least my "freedom of choice" allows me to play what I enjoy while the rest of you bitter whales sulk. haHA.

You really have no reading comprehension, I recommended playing on DMM in my first post in here but watch out since people've already been burnt once by these people and you believe I was arguing the opposite or that I changed what I was saying in the 2nd post.
I have not mentioned what I think of Nutaku which is in no way nice but wrongly you believe I'm defending them.
Do not forget the devs past, or it'll come back and bite you in the arse.

Playing on DMM won't kill Nutaku as they would have died long ago if no content meant a lack of spending but playing on Nutaku is probably going to end up badly for whoever does it, not the companys themselves.

Originally Posted by Sasha

You really have no reading comprehension, I recommended playing on DMM in my first post in here but watch out since people've already been burnt once by these people and you believe I was arguing the opposite or that I changed what I was saying in the 2nd post.
I have not mentioned what I think of Nutaku which is in no way nice but wrongly you believe I'm defending them.
Do not forget the devs past, or it'll come back and bite you in the arse.

Playing on DMM won't kill Nutaku as they would have died long ago if no content meant a lack of spending but playing on Nutaku is probably going to end up badly for whoever does it, not the companys themselves.

While i don't agree with buttlover's harsh perspective. He does make valid points, no harm trying something new that is free.

Sorry Sasha, your first post does seems to read as you warning people not to try out the dmm version because that is cuddling up to them.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

While i don't agree with buttlover's harsh perspective. He does make valid points, no harm trying something new that is free.

Sorry Sasha, your first post does seems to read as you warning people not to try out the dmm version because that is cuddling up to them.

I realized that the post was too much warning as I typed it, so I put "I am in no way saying don't swap" to counter it all which also means "Do swap but take into account what was said". Not everything needs to be 100% pro DMM, no company can get everything right.