Thread: Some advices + Shizuka

Originally Posted by buttlover

High attk, 2/3 block and can attack all enemies blocked.

Worth.

Not sure what you can do to change your team composition.
There is little choice other than hoping the bi-weekly event unit is good.
Unless you decide to gatcha, and thats all you can hope.

That said, you could use a magic ranged melee slot, which will be useful in the magic academy part of the story line when it comes out.

Since i started after horace event, i guess... at least i have Anemone for that job?
Im more or less asking about what i lack so i know what i should hope for to cross my way And also to know if i need to invest in the gold version of that class or just waste my resources.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

Really solid looking team there. You do seem to be short on Lightning Rods though, seems Sherry is your only one. Might want to level another one (Kerry or Themis I guess, Lucille is too expensive for that role, Elva probably is as well)

Next on AW list I'd pick Saki or Zola, maybe Mehlis. Saki's UP cost drops by 2 on AW (part of being a Ninja) and she's a fast attacking range on melee slot, Zola loses 10 range in exchange for faster attacking and is super-helpful on Crystal Keeper's X and G tiers (and earlier but high level archers suffice for H and below), plus she can switch to magic damage against armor using skill. Mehlis attacks faster and is a cheaper alternative to Garania, with range extension instead of blast radius increase.

As for Shizuka, with the unit rebalance a few months ago, Samurai now have the stats to justify the cost, more or less, and Shizuka is the best of the bunch. She's a mid-map sweeper for anti-rushing and has decent bulk to take a hit or two. Worth a look, especially as a cheaper alternative to Elva (bulk is comparable until Elva's Paladin class AW buff at 50% HP kicks in; slower attacks but hits 2 at once; heals self instead of attacking faster in terms of skill)

I guess it fits pretty well that shizuka also increases the ATK of Saki (which i just recrently got and since shes my first and only black, have like 30 spirits for her). So if AWing Saki i should propably AW Shizuka first. An interesting thought could also be Kojuro the male gold samurai... idk. He boosts all Samurais defence by 5% so hed also boost shizuka and vice versa with my sherry+shizuka+himself AW he would gain 5%hp, 10%def and 12% more Atk. I just dont know if thats worth the investment. I guess he would still fall behind mehlis or zola. Belinda might be an option too i guess, since i have no yuyu(one of the only golds im lacking) or any other witch then Cloris she propably doesnt stand as high as usual on the list. I was also thinking about investing into Emilia since i have realy no ramp unit atm (besides Elaine) and who knows when next subjugation hits, her hp in terms of another lightning rod are actualy pretty much the same as kerrys and just baaarely lower then themis hers too. Kerry would be boosted by sherry though.

Shizuka should be pretty good because she has fairly good stats to perform as offtank/sweeper (500+ def and sufficient hp post-AW). she should be the only samurai you bother about if you have her.

Anemone is a possible choice for magic fencer since you don't have better alternatives, though she should be low priority since you're probably better off leveling and AWing other units first (looking at saki, belinda, lucile and other maxed but not AW'd units)

Originally Posted by soranokira

Shizuka should be pretty good because she has fairly good stats to perform as offtank/sweeper (500+ def and sufficient hp post-AW). she should be the only samurai you bother about if you have her.

I actually have (and quite like) chizuru. I honestly think that shes one of the better samurais , since , whiel still a samurai (and therefore sitautional) , she is really good when her niche apears

Originally Posted by lolix

I actually have (and quite like) chizuru. I honestly think that shes one of the better samurais , since , whiel still a samurai (and therefore sitautional) , she is really good when her niche apears

Looking at the Wiki, if it's accurate, Chizuru has absurdly high HP for her cost and rarity (AW80 is 3607, compared to Shizuka's AW90 2539, Sakuya's AW90 3347 and Akane's AW90 3143) and her attack is higher than the platinum Samurai (AW80 783 compared to Shizuka AW90 751, Sakuya's 643/1222 and Akane's 736). On the other hand that HP is probably to make up for her crap defense (AW 80 239 Defense with 3 blocks; Shizuka has 578 at AW90, Sakuya 520 and Akane has 499) and the fact her skill is iffy (Shizuka heals herself, Akane has flat 50% dodge, Sakuya's is Attack Increase 4, while Chizuru gets 80% dodge against ranged, but also draws ranged attacks to herself which might attract extra attacks if you dropped someone after her, plus it doesn't do anything against melee)

Cost-wise, Sakuya and Shizuka are 26->23, Akane is 27->23 and Chizuru is 23 -> 20, so she has an edge there. Just a matter of whether her HP is enough survival with her crap defense + 3 blocks. Her niche is clearing light mobs, and she certainly does it well with her high HP, Attack and lower cost, plus attacking 3 at once, just get her out before the heavy hitters come.

Its very likely though that i will pretty much never use Shizuka AND Chizuru in one map though, right? And i guess if i had to choose between them i pick Shizuka who also buffs herself (putting her above Chizuru in Attack again). If i need lots of HP i have Imelia AND min cost Lolonne. And pretty much every Archer duo or Assassin (which would be the least UP cost version and the most underrated) can deal with early rushes pretty quick cant they?

Originally Posted by Nero010

Its very likely though that i will pretty much never use Shizuka AND Chizuru in one map though, right? And i guess if i had to choose between them i pick Shizuka who also buffs herself (putting her above Chizuru in Attack again). If i need lots of HP i have Imelia AND min cost Lolonne. And pretty much every Archer duo or Assassin (which would be the least UP cost version and the most underrated) can deal with early rushes pretty quick cant they?

Don't get me wrong, I was just analyzing raw stat gaps between the samurai. I'd take Shizuka over Chizuru almost any day (lower defense but higher HP makes healing incoming damage more difficult and the HP bars deceptive). Early rushes are generally handled by Archers/Witches + Soldiers, possibly a rogue if you're not sure you can kill quick enough and want to gamble (I believe Castle Retake has a Cypria-reliant strategy for underleveled players looking to rush to Dragon Hunting/Flame Dragon, as an example of this), Samurai are a mid-map anti-rush mob clearer class, and while Chizuru's cost is lower than other samurai, it isn't low enough to be viable for early rushes in most cases.

Yeah... I used that Cypria-reliant strategy back then xD i was still suprised when i had to throw her in as an emergency "token" cause i just barely had what it took (one eastern map for example) how ... well ... she performs even at none cc just lvl 50 without relaying on her skill at all. One day i will raise her and use her just for the interest. Not now. But one day. Idk why but i wanna break this anti rouge meta open D: xD

btw. I have 10 Rainbowspirits and rarely ever used some. Looking at the units I have (knowing this might be a more complex question) whos skill should i start to level or focus into? (Also considering maaaaaybe future S.AW). I came up with that question as Shizukas skill is one that needs to be leveled to reach its "great potential" of a free plat level healer to herself but can only be leveled via Rainbows (most likely).

Only reason why they didn't give shizuku as much hp is because she is already OP enough as it is.

She can pretty much be fielded solo without a healer if get your timing down.

High attk+3 blocks+cleave+"life steal"

Chizuru seems too niche as Nero pointed out, almost any time you'd want her anything else would suffice for early rushes. Her utility as cheap, strong lighting rod who can avoid magic attacks with her skill though is probably very awesome on some maps.

As to Ivan's point, I'd say Kojuro is far from useless exactly because he has Shizuka. Once she's leveled, if you find you are getting good use out of her then I think eventually AWing Kojuro would be a very good move because of synergizing AW buffs. Kojuro on his own already has the stats of a great offtank as well (Increase Def IV let's not forget). You rarely need the raw def of two heavies, so Bernice and Kojuro are my two main blockers for most maps. He's also great help on male only maps, let me beat Toast to Men G with no buffs and without the real premiums like Gellius and Jerome. Because you have Shizuka, you'd be AWing Kojuro almost only for the buff (and male maps) so I'd put most of your premium team ahead in priority but definitely something to think about when you have extra DCs an silvers for it.

As to rainbows, I'd just save them as long as space permits until you need them for a particular map due to how few you receive as a non-whale. Priorities may change a lot if we get SAW ahead of schedule or some weird map comes out so I always prefer to have enough banked to likely max a premium skill when I need it. As said though, you can't really go wrong with skills like Sherry and Shizuka though.

Originally Posted by IvanLedah21

Looking at the Wiki, if it's accurate, Chizuru has absurdly high HP for her cost and rarity (AW80 is 3607, compared to Shizuka's AW90 2539, Sakuya's AW90 3347 and Akane's AW90 3143) and her attack is higher than the platinum Samurai (AW80 783 compared to Shizuka AW90 751, Sakuya's 643/1222 and Akane's 736). On the other hand that HP is probably to make up for her crap defense (AW 80 239 Defense with 3 blocks; Shizuka has 578 at AW90, Sakuya 520 and Akane has 499) and the fact her skill is iffy (Shizuka heals herself, Akane has flat 50% dodge, Sakuya's is Attack Increase 4, while Chizuru gets 80% dodge against ranged, but also draws ranged attacks to herself which might attract extra attacks if you dropped someone after her, plus it doesn't do anything against melee)

Cost-wise, Sakuya and Shizuka are 26->23, Akane is 27->23 and Chizuru is 23 -> 20, so she has an edge there. Just a matter of whether her HP is enough survival with her crap defense + 3 blocks. Her niche is clearing light mobs, and she certainly does it well with her high HP, Attack and lower cost, plus attacking 3 at once, just get her out before the heavy hitters come.

As her stats indicate , chizuru is made as either a lightning rod because she forces enemy ranged attacks on her or for fighting mages and liches (high hp , low defenswe - doesn't matter to magic attacks , and as far as i know , the only skill in the game that allows dodging magic damage)


Her effective hp against a lich during her skill usage is over 15k (assuming 20% hit rate).




That's her niche. And she's really good at it. Because of that , and their costs , shizuka and chizuru fill different niches , so comparing them is useless.


Actually , i'd argue that chizuru's niche and ability are more unique then shizuka's (who can easily be replaced by plenty others)