Thread: Claire and Misha are in the shrine.

Some interesting posts about Claire from MWAwiki:

Originally Posted by Urizithar; [url

http://millenniumwaraigis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Claire/@comment-88.223.63.194-20161115212631/@comment-Urizithar-20161115221617?permalink=66712#comm-66712][/url]

Bashira isn't better than her. Taking into account maxed skills of both girls and how long those work and also adding Claire's passive she has 95% of Bashira's dps if we are talking about enemy with 0 def. Against something with decent defense she becomes better because her attack up allows her to damage even enemies with really good armor. That skill is also much more stable. She spends 35 sec of each minute with attack up on (~58% of time) while Bashira only 15 sec of each 50 sec (~30%). If you need stable long time output against something with some def she can eat Bashira for breakfast.

Same with Victoria though it's a strange case. Victoria is rarity higher with stronger version of same skill and yet cause of Claire's passive she has only 101% of Claire's dps while she's harder to get, costs 1UP more, is harder to mincost and takes more to level and awaken. On the other hand Victoria spend with skill on ~64% of time and that is little longer than Claire's ~58%. Not such a big deal like between Bashira and Claire though.

I already said it somewhere but when I will get her on nutaku she will easily become my 3rd archer after Nanaly and Spica. On dmm I have Spica and her as my only archers and in some situations she's even better than Spica (mostly when you need archer with high dps early before you can get Spica's skill ready).

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Originally Posted by http://millenniumwaraigis.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Claire/@comment-88.223.63.194-20161115212631/@comment-212.67.156.142-20161116021116?permalink=66737#comm-66737

Urizithar being pro-RNG effect? I haven't thought I'd see such a thing :P

What is worth pointing out in the entire Spica-Bashira-Clarie disscussion, is their skill timers: Init, Uptime, Reuse

Spica - 42.5/90/85

Bashira - 17.5/15/35

Clarie - 16.7/35/25

We can pretty clearly see that both Bashira and Clarie has similar uptimes, which means that both of them will have a skill in time for early rushes (Clarie also has 1UP cost less, and is easier to CR if you think about rush-stopping).

Second question is time between skill activation (between threats attacking you) - to check it we add Uptime and Reuse:

Bashira 15+35=50, Clarie 35+25=60.

We can see that both of them have low time between skill use, which mean that you can use skill dynamically when treats come by, and have it in time just as easily.

Third question is what deals more damage, and what is the difference, can both of them do the same job or do they differ.

I agree with the fact that she having skill active for 35s vs 15s is a huge deal, but IMO you should look at case-by-case use of the skill on your archrers. Bashiras skill is at its best when few high-health enemies attack you at once - you can activate the skill, deal all the damage within short amount of time, have and have close to 100% of the DPS during skill uptime (no overkills, no downtime) - the best examples are ogres or other high-health bosses.

The fact that skill lasts 35s instead of 15s can sometimes not matter - if boss attacks you and you have to deal as much damage before he connects with your duelist etc.

The opposite case is the example of a lot of goblins that require two shots to kill, over the long peroid of time. Bashira using her skill will kill them right away for 15s, and then have troubles dealing with them, when Clarie in the cases when you deal ~60% of the enemy health you can turn the skill on and kill the entire wave in 1shot just like on-skill Bashira/Nanaly can.

Claries on-skill damage is 873 vs 559 of Bashira and Nanaly has 627. That is +56% / 40% more damage, so if you ever saw enemy having just right amount of hp+def to not be killed by them, on skill Claries would kill them super easily.

Clarie's AW Ability imo is negligible, as having 10% to 1-shot enemy instead of 2-shot him is a really small and hard to rely on ability (10% to 1-shot enemy instead of 3-shotting him is a way bigger deal but still pretty random), and on top of that you are supposed to use skill when you 2-shot enemies so it should not matter anyway.

It matters in the cases where Bashiras skill seems to be a way to go - when you have really tough enemies that will not make you overkill, as it can reach the full 120% damage effect that math would suggest.

Another matter is interaction with DEF. Basic math says that enemies with about 50% of damage of given archer would make their on-skill damage equal (1.8-0.5 = 1.3, 3-1.5=1.5). With 20% Prince buff it is ~300 DEF which is not as unlikely on heavily armoured targets, which means that on-skill Clarie DPS can be greater than Bashiras on-skill DPS when enemies are close to 300-350 DEF mark, which is huge when looking at their skill uptimes.

They are really on-pair thanks to Claries AW ability, and Bashira seems like anti-Ogre type of archer, when Clarie can deal better with all attrition enemies - black goblins, red+ gargoyles and tincans, and by better I mean quite a bit better, which is huge for gold quality unit.

If you hunt for some insane DPS as Bashira (to get through armored enemies etc.) then Dancer has way better synergy with her than Clarie, which may push you over the edge.

If you look to get someting extra from Clarie then you can look at Sherry 5% bonus to Gold- rarity units and possibility of having her more usefull on some 4-star-challanges in the future or the possibility of having her wildly CRd.

Both of them have medicore SAWs - Bashira has 4 arrows but damage is reduced to 0.9 and uptime reduced from 15 to 12 - which is medicore, and Clarie has target up to 3 enemy, damage reduced to 0.9, uptime reduced from 35 to 18s - which is pretty medicore as well, and makes her more anti-swarm unit rather than anti-armored.

Is she worth being 1st archer to AW? 2nd or 3rd archer? Or would you rather have Rita with her utility rather than 3rd archer that will stay in barracks most of the time?

IMO she is a great unit - one of the best golden rarity unit out there (with only Bernice, Iris and possibly Yuyu being close). Her power level when compared to Spica, Bashira and Rita, when compared to number of tincans and type of spirits required to fully level her up make her really, really easy to level up (6 tincans instead of 11, assuming doing lvls 60+ using tincans), and unlike Spica, Bashira or Rita isn't that hard to get for the new player (Spica means the tons of DC that could mean no AW-rushes, and Bashira and Rita are unavalible, when Clarie can be pulled from shrine and be IMO at the top of leveling priority list).

IMO she is exactly what you want out of Gold rarity unit - she is easy to level, but have powerfull skills and abilities that make her really close to the Platinium unit, that can easily do the job of 2nd/3rd unit of that type for you (just like Yuyu is great 2nd witch - even if you land on black and plats, and Mehlis is great 2nd mage).

The only one pretty big con of her is the fact that her skill unlike Bashiras (and even more than Spicas) is heavily level-reliant, as the difference between attack x1.3 and x1.8 is insane, but luckily her skill of Increase Attack III is pretty common (and tbh i dont find that much value in rainbow spirit anyway).

If new player would have to choose whenever to summon Bashira or Clarie I'd say Clarie 100% of the time. If you already own Spica+Bashira AWd then IMO it is pretty much same stuff, so I'd not argue either way due to redundancy.

On DMM she is pretty popular as she was there from the start of the game, dropped in 3 gold rushes so far, and was awesome to CR - great in pair with CRd Spica (level Clarie first, then Spica when you need better archer and then you are done, ez), and after that she still has some potential left thanks to her anti-rush SAW.

Personally I have AW99 Nanaly, AW90 Spica, CC70 Bashira and benchwarmer Rita, and I have mixed feelings about her (Bashira has interesting fluff AW Ability, Rita has interesting skill, and Clarie has interesting SAW). Both Bashira, Rita and Clarie seem to have different flavor to them - just like Elizabeth and Rachel do, and IMO each of these top units have there own fluff, and each of them have interesting edge over the other (with only Bashira and Elizabeth being pretty close to each other aside Bashiras ranged enemy priority).

Dat wall of text... Gonna read em all!

I did read it all and considering i have AW Spica, AW Bashira, cc70 Rita (and even not to count cc60 shao) i hardly belive i will see any much use for Claire. Its too late for her to shine for me. Maybe if we get 3 star rushes with her so we can easy cu and cr her... then propably. But thats unlikely.

Yeah read it. Tbh i never cared about details so much unless they fail the job. Dont think that %10-20 more damage saves the game, neither bashira nor spica failed me before, both were more than inuf, at least better than soma&daniela but i'd still raise claire to max and aw even only for that aw sprite animation, really love that well, i was out of stuff for levelling anyway :P thankfully maribel ate all those fodders and emptied the barracks

Originally Posted by Samyy

point out first your talking about dmm..before all the retards start commenting and pin pointing this is wrong n that is :v
1. no map i have seen starts without 10 uc..which means you could easily pin a katie/plat soldier anywhere in the map and get your vanguard units up ._. the reason people still use mischa in"guide" videos is for newbie silver users only because those are units you can relate to and dummies can ditto their map on. refering back to my statement.
2. thats one nasty use you put on that lil silver fluff tail..
assuming you are talking about the black valk reshia..she is a duelist.mischa is not(or cannot) ...even so mincosted reshia/lecia will be better as 20 lvl 30% non aff vs mischa 50uncc ed(u wanna cc mischa ?o.O)50%aff because of instant skill

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nd wtf some retard is comparing gold unit dextrosity with plat units e.e..gg claire may u find justice among men who understood you better

1) There are maps where Katie's skill won't be usable in time for the early rush and most players do not have the platinum soldiers. Even if they have the plats, no reason you can't use a cheap UP ramp for extra points in certain maps. Also, you really ought to stop saying stuff like "newbie silver users" and "dummies can ditto their map on" because it really makes you come across as a whale that looks down on non-whales. The fact there are some players who have played since launch and still occasionally use silver units means silvers are not newbie-exclusive units.

2) Using her for what she's meant to be used for is a nasty use?

3) Why would you bring up a black unit to compare to a silver unit? Blacks are designed to be OP (though some aren't used as often, like Berna)

4) The point of the posts is Claire is comparable to platinum units of the same class, while being more likely to show up in Shrine due to lower rarity. In other words, she's not useless even if you have been playing a while (unless all your plat archers are AW already, then maybe not)

Isn't Samyy the new FarK? Probably not someone worth paying attention to anyway.

No need to bash each other. Just a silent hint... if you realize that theres a certian someone that you keep thinking constantly talks totaly out of your idea of common sense - ignore him in a decent way, please.

Originally Posted by Samyy

point out first your talking about dmm..before all the retards start commenting and pin pointing this is wrong n that is :v
1. no map i have seen starts without 10 uc..which means you could easily pin a katie/plat soldier anywhere in the map and get your vanguard units up ._. the reason people still use mischa in"guide" videos is for newbie silver users only because those are units you can relate to and dummies can ditto their map on. refering back to my statement.
2. thats one nasty use you put on that lil silver fluff tail..
assuming you are talking about the black valk reshia..she is a duelist.mischa is not(or cannot) ...even so mincosted reshia/lecia will be better as 20 lvl 30% non aff vs mischa 50uncc ed(u wanna cc mischa ?o.O)50%aff because of instant skill

To be fair, the reason people whine at you about DMM all the time is because you make ridiculous comparisons and constantly insult people that still play on nutaku. Not to mention your constant whale logic as if everyone has every black unit in existence (except you still don't have Mikoto, ahaha).

As for your points:
1. In fact the last map of the current farm event on DMM only starts you out with 5 UP and you need to get up blockers fast for some demon thingies that come.

2. She is perfect for it though. Able to be placed at the cost of only 8 UP just after i placed Katie. Yes i meant Reshia/Lecia the black valk. She stands at 12 cost when mincosted.

Placing her on that last map after my soldier is incredibly risky and she might not be fast enough to tank the unit i wanted her to tank. Misha on the other hand comes at 8 UP mincosted and CC'd and i've had her for eons at that because i had her way before Lecia. You don't need a high damage unit on that map, even if Misha deals great damage for a silver. Thus i used her to block something my other units would not have managed, as well as her having a heal skill since i did not place a healer anywhere near her.

Point in case - sure Misha barely ever sees use for me anymore, but sometimes she might. Don't go using your whale logic everywhere thinking everyone has 20 copies of every plat+ valk mincosted and ready to roll.

Adding to Tenhou's points, in the far future where we get level 55 silvers, Mischa gets an additional 25% physical evasion passive which adds more to her survivability rate as an early drop unit. I've used her sometimes myself just to build some UP and not worry about her dying because of her self-heal and evasion.

Originally Posted by Nero010

No need to bash each other. Just a silent hint... if you realize that theres a certian someone that you keep thinking constantly talks totaly out of your idea of common sense - ignore him in a decent way, please.

Someone that posts FarK-like bullshit like Cyrus > Spica is someone to be ignored. There's no debate to be had there.

I'm sorry for being my usual blunt self, but do you always feel the need to point out when I choose to do so?