Pretty much agree with IvanLedah21's entire counterargument with special notice to using Elizabeth on map 7.
For AWed Elizabeth, that whole map is her kill zone because its nothing but pure undead enemies. Yes, she doesn't have an Archer's range, but that isn't the problem when she gets +15 range as a AWed ability and when placed towards the top on that map range is a non-issue. Plus who can say no to a unit with permanent triple shot autos that comes with an attack speed increase skill.
On another, slightly less painful note, farmed Innocent Madness for what felt like millennia but got no more Calliope drops for my own Elizabeth. Only Assals that I'm now swimming in and 1 Giovanni.
Least I was able to sneak out an extra Elaine out of this event, now I just have to hope for a HA from 2k summons for CCing our August event unit.
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Well there goes the long awaited event, didn't complete it 100% but managed to at least get 21 stars. This will be my first CRed and SU unit so I am quite happy about that hopefully I can keep it up for the events that follow. Didn't do to bad with farming either though it took me a very long time to get the Calliope I need to AW Yuyu and Sybilla.
I had much better luck farming Daniela which I needed 4 of to AW Spica. This is what I farmed:
Well back to lvling my units again and prep for the next event.
I know your pain, I hope you managed to get some Calliope's. When I first started farming that map I got 2 of her dropped and thought I was having some good luck by the end of week one I had only gotten 1 more of her bringing my total to 3 Calliope. I gave up and went on to farming the other units I need which didn't put up as much of a fight. Once I got them went back to farming Calliope and managed to score another 3. Just enough to AW Sybilla and my Yuyu.
Originally Posted by Kamahari Akuma
I needed more but luck wasn't on my side for that got nothing from my farming today before the event ended.
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I got all that i needed but sadly no additional archers and healers to cc marnie or waltz. That was just an extra to begin with though.
My statistics for those who care:
Managed to get enough to CC Rita, CC&AW Spica, AW Iris, AW Sherry, CC Mehlis (fodder for main mehlis), CC Fedora (fodder for main fedora), CC Leanne and -2UP 4/5 Skill her, CC Pallis, 3/5 skill my Bernard thanks to Sanosukes thrown at him and CC the upcoming event Valk. Considering i spend 20 SC i still find this result pleasuring enough, it was much needed.
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That's a lot, though considering 20 SC it's possible. I have no event unit outside of Imelia and Waltz and got no luck with the gacha either ( my major silver income is from 2k summon, PS net me a full 4 gold healer Iris + Robert and no Fedora beside Olivie and Berna so I just got enough silver to AW Katie, Iris and Olivie ( I can AW Imelia but Katie take priority first) and that's still occupy my entire barrack force me to use some SC for expansion. Originally Posted by Nero010
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berna and olivie are better then most free players mate. I for example have a lvl 192 account with no black (other then saki ofc) and a second (lvl 189) with just 1 black.
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I know Originally Posted by lolix
Just want to point out that I don't really have much need for AW since beside those two I practically stick with healer until this event ( 2 draw and pull out Mehlis and Gina, so glad to have Mehlis since I don't have to farm event map for Pallis, I still can't pass Danger in the Oasis)
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@Sammyy: You are doing it again. Please, at least care enough to use capital letters. Your post is almost unreadable as it is
Now, speaking of 6. Did I at any of my two messages pertaining this matter ever said that our Gold Iris is better than Platinum Chydis? In fact,Here, I clearly said that Chydis is more potent healer of the two. Originally Posted by ZeroZet
What I was trying to convey is what, while more powerful, at that particular instance AW Chydis was not in any capacity absolutely necessary, as AW Iris at that particular instance would be able to fulfil her role well enough. And given the sheer impossibility to actually obtain Chydis for any player that started after the fabled time of myths that was TP rotation time, the possibility to replace Chydis with a unit freely given to every player is a significant argument for the usability of that solution to wider audience.
Maybe we will see a Trading Post rotation in the future when Nutaku actually takes over the implementation of content. Probably even. But here and now, for any player that started after the last rotation, Chydis. Does. Not. Exist. When she begins to exist (in other words, when people will be able to obtain her) once more, only God knows. So if you advice players to sit on their thumbs without levelling (and Awakening, for better stats at minimum, as lack of powerful heals hurts) any good healer til then... I sincerely hope you are joking. Insufficient healing kills. Banking on some vague undefined "might be" in such a crucial aspect is plain stupid.
Do remember that for any player that started recently and didn't have luck to pull Camilla or even Fedora from Premium Gacha, healing options would be limited to silvers and, guess who, Iris. Even should he be able to pull Fedora, utility of instant heal on placement that awakening of Iris bring to the table far outweighs single cost reduction that Fedora's awakening has as far as tactical versatility go. So in our current situation, Iris is far from being only useful as a fodder. I would go as far as say she's enabling even, for raising her will help player to clear more difficult content right away, without watching it go away while waiting for some "plat" that nobody knows when it might appear.
And, DMM is DMM. Nutaku is Nutaku. Not only DMM version has two years worth more content compared to our side, they also lived through several waves of unit rebalancing patches, so any comparison between two versions should be done with extra care.
Now, addressing 7, do note I was talking about last map, not the Slay, second-to-last map what indeed requires no heavy. And, to note, the last map features no Lich King to kill...
I would seriously love to see the strategy of 3*'ing said last map without a heavy armor, for future reference, so if you have a video do share it please. It would be interesting to see what kind of hard to substitute resources (like AW gacha plats or blacks) it takes to pull off.
And of course... Archer and even the Vampire Hunter can't kill the lich? O.o So, every videos of Bashira or Spica taking care of liches on the left side of a Slay before King shows up, a video of AW Elizabeth burning through entirety the Lich King's health bar in no time flat, all of them are fake? You opened my eyes to this great conspiracy, fer sure.
Fact is, for Awakened Vampire Hunter entirety of the last event would be the best moment to shine. Why? Class bonus against undeads, pretty much only kind of enemy we faced. Sure, they would not survive against liches on Slay for long without a lightning rod, but who in his right mind would ever allow them to face liches without lightning rod anyway?Last edited by ZeroZet; 07-27-2016 at 10:33 PM.
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1) Valid point, provided she is not tanking lesser liches AND the King (if she even CAN tank the King) Originally Posted by Samyy
ok so . evanled.
1. sorry about my grammer am used to typing short hand ty to job irl x'D pardon me on that. didnt mean to sound the post as offensive.
so here it goes :
1. elaine can tank the the lesser leeches especially 2 and 3. i ws so bored with the current way nutaku is going i actually use silver units .
2. you will agree that if you do not have the unit from the second event previous to this ie claudia you cannot do a map which is above the 3 stam deck. hell not even a full black team with measly levels can do it.and tbh i dslike using claudia my argument was why use 1 when yoxal loyal got a black valk >.> mine is low level i never use her.
3. So. my suggestion of using Nanaly was because i can see mikoto there >.> instead of nanaly a mage/omni will do 4x damage vs leech(ap def etc) Nanaly can't melt 'the def' she relies on the buffs from prince and spica+ dancer(watevr dancer u have)
question about it: are you ready to waste 4 sllots on her or are you ready to deploy a silver mage who will alaways do better damage+ kill the skully mobs with leech. 1 of the prob in this map was your duelist was busy killing mobs when king blew him/her/healer/main dps up ?
4. i mentioned if you do not have rikka its your prob not mine. dont talk about killing leeches with baby guns. i also mentioned valks can kill them
5. i guess your olivie is low level or not properly spec'ed postioned or used or you simply are bad at it ? xD no offense. i farmed that map when i had nothing to do in office to check dps of olivie and sybilla. you simply do not put olivie like ' hey leech i put a princess here come get some' they are positioned buffer aggro to kill with instant skill.. sure she might not have that much hp like others but she actually 'can' survie with 2x aw healer( i didnt check non aw healer because i dont have any in my deck 50cc50.[ yeah i dont use iris ty ])
6. as well as to @zerozet(sorry again if you are foreigner and have to use google to decipher what i post in short hand)
there is tons of gold better then their plat jobs. is iris 1 of them vs chydis ? thTat was your question. thats a no. as explained before. if your gonna compare healers the current dmm tier is chydis at top assuming no black there fallowed by fedora . so if you dont have chydis . you can't comment on it. why waste time eveling a gold when you 'might' get plat healers in future incl. chydis ?o.o and waste so much time awakening a gold ?o_o are you kidding. to me iris is nothing but awakening fodder .
7. zerozet 's attention again on this. tried doing the map with plat duelist . you can use bandits if you do not have rikka. the ridiculous statemtn of you cant do it without tank. you cant do it without archer irks me o.o. hell i can do this with my charlotte if she is properly placed and prinnce to kill the king. your prince is alaways available and after lvl 99 he is better duelist then most others ( and sustainable and affordable lmfao). also like i said if lafate was online he could check the specs. its useless to use archers / vampire hnters there. why ?o.o because the 'can't' kill leech as they are not primary dps. hence either your duelist dies or the healer. if you do not have a plat mage try planting 2x silver/gold >.> odette isnt overkill as she is a damage based and my luck i do not have mage better then her( if you disincl the 2x summoners)
my post was directed to yoxal loyal though. love to see him acting as a substitute vet for the time being because most of us vet switched dmm. and replying to everyone in need . good job there. why not reply to mine ?;D
and go home akuma your more obsessed with elizabeth then me bsessed with mikoto >.< xD for aargument sake i will assume she will do burst and kill 4x leech alone like wonder woman nddps like bawss xDDDD
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lolix is 192 now >.< gratz xD am foever 170 on nutaku x'D
2) I still don't understand what you're saying, because I sure hope you're not saying you NEED Claudia or comparable units to clear maps above the 3 stamina map
3) Prince is likely deployed anyways for the fact he buffs ALL deployed units, healer should be there anyways, dancer is nice for multi-hit units but not required, Nanaly, if protected by lightning rods, in fact CAN burn down the King, as can Elizabeth. They do suffer the potential issue of hitting the trash instead of the King, but with skill active, that trash isn't lasting long, especially against AW Elizabeth
4) "if you don't have Rika it's your problem not mine" sounds like a jerk talking, sorry. Idk what "baby guns" you're talking about and yes valks can kill liches with proper heal support, we established that already
5) You criticize Nanaly but need to give Olivie TWO AW HEALERS to survive, instead of 1 healer and 1 lightning rod? Also, Olivie has no instant kill skill, idk what u mean by "positioned buffer agro" and unless she's AW with high level Olivie is going down against King + multiple liches, so you better have other lightning rods to take some of that heat
6) you level a gold now because you want to clear maps now instead of waiting months upon months to get that platinum healer. Also, as I said before, Chydis DOES NOT EXIST IF YOU WERE NOT HERE FOR HER TP STAY, Camilla is premium summon and thus not everyone has her, same with Liana, and Marr and even Marius/other heal-capable units, so guess where that leaves newer players? Iris, MAYBE Fedora, MAYBE Robert, and the silver healers. Guess who's best for burst healing there? Iris. Fedora is a tactical option due to cheaper cost (by 1, giving one more CR than the other besides AW bonus is unfair comparison) and extended range vs. burst heal upon deploy and higher healing power during skill.
7) If you're talking about the last map, AoE units are indeed favorable but not required. If you're talking about Slay the King... you have GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! AW Elizabeth is the ULTIMATE DPS there (as long as she's protected by lighting rods, but who in their right mind leaves ANY dps unprotected?). Elizabeth comes up in this discussion so much because this event is HER ULTIMATE KILLING GROUND, she gets bonus damage against undead why the hell would u NOT use her on these maps if you have her AW?
And what was up with that last line? NOBODY is killing 4 liches alone, NOBODY. Even black units like AW Sophie/Sybilla are going to need heal support at the very least. Not to be rude, but even though you say you're not trying to be offensive, you're coming across as 1) a jerk, 2) a DMM player who is out of touch with Nutaku's struggles, 3) an elitist or 4) some combination of the above.
Side Note: I've cleared the entire event without using Heavies, but then I used AW Sophie, Aisha, Minerva, Nanaly, Sybilla and Despara, so I have some massively OP units that most people don't.
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