Thread: The Summon Beast in the Earth Guide

Originally Posted by lolix

what i dont get is why the hell our server has to mirror the japanese one ? They already did that and failed in PPS> literally 80% of the players that are on a day to day basis on this forum left the game because of a series of issues.

You know, most people who quit PPS due to the constant event and burn out (including me) did so because PPS events are totally different. You need to stay glued to the computer if you want the better rewards. In Aigis you only have a set amount of resources and then you need to wait HOURS for them to replenish so the burn out strength of this game is definitely not as big. So while i understand that you want a break now and then, using PPS as an example really is horrible.

That said, i have heard that later on we will get many units that are not going to be the best ever, even Shiho was supposedly not that great. So it is probably a wise idea to just get enough to get those girls, 3star everything and then do whatever you want. So in this case i can actually support continual events. If an event pops up with a unit that is slightly worse in every aspect than some other unit, are you going to max her out? Are you going to max out those silver and gold rogues despite getting access to Cypria? It's pretty much the same deal and is what many of the #nobreak people have been trying to tell. That many events are skippable because the units are horrid so you can just focus on getting 3star and a copy of the unit then go back to dailies and aff grinds.

Yes i am definitely getting more and more onto the #nobreak side. Up til now most events have been great units with a lot of use but that will not always be the case in the future, which is why they suggest "skipping" events (3star + unit copy).

Edit:
To add to that, we know what units will come in the events and how good they will be since we are behind the japanese version. We basically live in the best of worlds (well, with the exception of no lolis) since the japanese will constantly have to guess if a new unit is good or not, while we get force fed that information before the event even begins :P

I said I didn't want to drag this out, but this is just fucking sad already.

Originally Posted by soranokira

point being, what about affection? if you've really managed to full aff Lynn, Len and shiho, then good for you, but not everyone is that lucky. and what about those newbies still too weak to do solano even though they're about 2 months old? and fyi, I spent 9 SCs, which got me about 18 Lynns, and I STILL couldnt max CR her. you being able to max CR Lynn can be said to be luck in itself.

You realize you're hurting your argument more and more? Absolutely nowhere does it say that you're supposed to max out affection for a unit as soon as you get her. Hell, even 50CC'ing characters can take a while for people. So why the HELL are you making that your argument?

I literally just 100%'d Daniela and Kerry for the first time this week, and I've been playing since launch. I haven't even CC'd Leanne/Dorca/Harissa or Valerie/Christopher yet, and I sure as hell haven't even touched Crave, Bernard, or the bandits. You think I have a mass surplus of affection items to just instantly 100% every character that comes my way? No, I focus on the ones I like and/or the ones that don't have to be CC'd to be 100% and/or the ones I'll use for life, like a good player should be doing.

If we were talking about Aria, or Anya, or Karma, etc., then yeah, you'd want to 100% those girls as soon as possible. But come the fuck on. Len? A unit who shouldn't be in the midst of battle to begin with AND gets incredibly shitty affection bonuses (until a later patch)? Why the hell are you wasting your resources on her instead of some archer or healer that'll always be useful? At least Lynn and Shiho fill various niches that you'd want to 100% them at some point, but even then, they shouldn't be high priority.

All these asinine arguments about wanting to delay events and slowing the game down for everyone just because you want the game to cater to your compulsive perfectionist tendencies is exactly why I'm getting pissed off with you people. You're not thinking about the newbies at all. You're thinking about only yourself, someone who doesn't know how to use their time in this game properly and wants everyone else to suffer because of it.

Originally Posted by soranokira

point being, what about affection? if you've really managed to full aff Lynn, Len and shiho, then good for you, but not everyone is that lucky.

Every unit I have is class-changed and capped on affection. And I have more than enough affection items to cap Solano as soon as we get her.

What do you think I was doing doing the six week break of nothing?

And hell, like I said, I can continue to farm more affection items if I want since I have about 5.5 days left to do so before the event is over. I don't need them, though, so I'm choosing to farm silver units instead.


This isn't hard.

Originally Posted by lolix

what i dont get is why the hell our server has to mirror the japanese one ? They already did that and failed in PPS> literally 80% of the players that are on a day to day basis on this forum left the game because of a series of issues , with burnout after back to back events being one of the most important. In japan that is not an issue. It is here tho. Noot everything has to fit the original. Also , we don't want to max aff everything , but as a player with 2 accouns , 1 over 140 and a second one over 130 (that i made 2-3 weeks before the odette event) , both strong enough to get a perfect solano (so i invested a bit of time in them...just a bit ) , i can honestly tell you that even tho my second have way better units , including either better offense , like nanaly , or better gfarm units like cellia , most of my core team is not max affed. As i said , CORE team , simply becasue nutaku started releasing event after event after odette.

Yeah, it's such an awful thing that we're finally starting to mirror DMM's event schedule. The fact that Nutaku Aigis lost a decent amount of its community to DMM because we weren't getting any closer to DMM's later content, but instead getting further and further away means nothing to you, apparently. And it's totally not Nutaku's fault that you've apparently neglected to max affection your core team in the time that we had nothing but breaks. Jesus, can your arguments get any worse?

This is the result of playing on the DMM server for over a year: http://imgur.com/a/p4XKV

Playing through the DMM version with back-to-back events has never been a problem. I have missed some events as a new player, but I never complained about it and in the end I never needed those units at all nor do I feel like I missed anything.

@lolix
Do you seriously think you can get every single of these units to min-cost, max skill, and max affection/trust? That's impossible unless you spend a lot of SC during every event. Not every event unit I have is at min-cost nor do I plan on using all of them. There are some units that I stopped using even after class changing them and getting them to a high level. Kerry, the tutorial unit I got from the beginning, still has 0% affection.

Most of the SC I've used were for leveling up units I like and I want to use. I've also spent a lot of SC on farming for Demon Crystals because it costs 100 of them to awaken a week. You can't expect to do that every week without draining resources (silver units, gold, aw orbs, etc.). I can say for sure that I have spent over 50 SC farming Phalanx 2 and probably at least 100 SC farming Demon Crystals.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

Yeah, it's such an awful thing that we're finally starting to mirror DMM's event schedule. The fact that Nutaku Aigis lost a decent amount of its community to DMM because we weren't getting any closer to DMM's later content, but instead getting further and further away means nothing to you, apparently. And it's totally not Nutaku's fault that you've apparently neglected to max affection your core team in the time that we had nothing but breaks. Jesus, can your arguments get any worse?

I think you might have missed the point where i said that i started my SECOND account 2 weeks before odette's event ? Yeah , i generally did farmed and considering the short time span , i have a decently strong team. I think for a new account , being able to 3 star everything except flame beast X and mighty ogre X (because i needed a karma) is decent enough , and i think i managed my time and resources well enough considering the circumstances. That being said , i dare you to try making a new account and try to raise it a bit and see how it feels.

Edit exk , do you honestly feel that this server is ready for awakening ? Also , do you think there are people with the amount of financial resources to play that style ? Even if nutaku is here to make money . they can't cut out their f2p players entirely. That being said , i wasn't event talking about perfecting evenry unit. My first account has most units max aff-ed because of the break , with the sole exception of a cellia (which i got recently) , bashira , len and Lyn. The problem i was presenting was that newer players didn't got that break period to farm and stack those resources up. For example , i was so bored during the break , that i made an entirely different account 2 weeks before the odette event started. I managed to raise it fast and strong enough to get a cr 4 , skill 11 odette (and i'm a free player). That is to show that i'm not a slacker or fucked arround with my xp/gold/aff farming. Still , right now , i don't even have all my healers max aff-ed (i managed to get a fedora recently. I was running s7lvers untill now) , and my tank is still lvl 47 cced but at 50% aff. Bashira is at 0 aff , and katie is at 32%. Those are all core items....on a lvl 131 account. I'm not asking for perfect units all the time. But you guys don't realize that new players still need resources to grow and develop. Taking a week of break is hardly big enough disruption for people to get so pissed , and would indeed give newer players a chance to develop a bit. I mean , if the newbies are already behind the curve , and the events will only get harder and harder , it's obvious the newbies will give up. Older players quit all the time for various reasons , and newbies don't even try anymore becasue the server is so advanced. How do you maintain a player base like that ?

It is up to the player to decide on what to do their time. If they want their team to become stronger, then they have to choose to use that time to make their team stronger. Progress can't be made through events alone. It is not mandatory to use their time on every event. It's just like I said before registering, every event is optional. Missing one or two event units isn't the end of the world. I have used event units as exp food for other units just because I won't find a use for them. I even fed a perfect Star Trial unit to another unit because I don't like their design and spent most of the event making my team even stronger.

Nutaku shouldn't be the one deciding how a player should play. They are there to provide the content for the playerbase.

Financial resources? I merely spend $10~30 every 2 months. That's not really excessive at all or in the whale territory. I spend that much because I like the game and I'm showing my support. Most of the SC can be earned in-game through events. You can earn 18~24 SC per month through events alone as long as they happen continuously.

you people are all radicals.Honestly. It's pointless to argue with you guys this way , even if the solution we proposed was quite a moderate one. So i'll stop , but before that i'll ask a simple question : would you quit if they gave a break of a couple days once every couple events ? probably not. I'm assuming most wouldn't. I for example would quit (did it before in different games. When a games becomes more of a chore then fun , then it's pointless to play. ANd before you tell me that i don't need to get all possible units...well , i can't. It triggers my OCD. By now you people should udnerstand that games like this make their money out of that. That is the whole point of collecting games : to collect things) because of burnout if they didn't. While , i as a player , represent an insignifiant minority , the simple fact that there are people like me on this forum , and the fact that we reached a ridiculous 5-6 page argument, kinda means that i'm not the only one that feels they are burning out the players.

Now nutaku kinda has to chose : between players that want event after event or players that needs breaks to no burn out. If you are nutaku , which one do you consider as the lesser evil and which one has the least risk of leaving if they don't get their way ? I just hope nutaku realises this and do decide to go pro break at least out of fear of losing money. Trying to convince one side or the other is pointless , even tho the "pro break" has literally no downside other then not being able to do events for a couple of days. Even as an veteran player , after having a crap event , and getting a very bad unit , at least you get the time to play with it a bit , raise it ....discover it's nieche , maybe collect another hentai scene , and so on. Literally the only downside is getting a new event a couple days later... .A new event in which you're going to get another unit u will never use. I wonder what is even the joy of completing an event if you don;t even care about the units.

Other then that , i give up. If you people feel that such a radical aproach to the game is the best....well i honestly hope your support of event after event doesn't come to bite us all in the ass , with nutaku deciding to trow either farm/collect events 1 after the other .....

This isn't even about the suggestion anymore. It's about your pitiful attempts to justify it.

Really, it's utterly laughable that you try to make yourselves out to be the good guys when you never once think about how going against the current status quo, when veteran players clamored so hard for the devs to step up and make our server closer to theirs, could easily backfire by suddenly reversing stance.

What happens when the breaks suddenly get longer again? We don't even get anywhere near as much compensation for delays as DMM does. Nutaku Aigis' community could very easily collapse again, and more people could end up jumping ship to DMM. All because you can't make amends with your OCD and you hide your entitlement by claiming to think of the newbies.

Side note: I have massive OCD issues too. The difference is, I put my money where my mouth is and don't let it interfere with anyone else's gaming experience.

and somehow you fail to see the point again. Regardless of what are my personal motivations for wanting breaks (duh , we all prioritize ourselfs , exactly as you're doing it as well. You have money to burn , so time , affection/xp are not things you really care about. You care about a lot more about your enjoyment , and considering the other issues are not a problem for your progress ingame , it's obvious you won't need a break to raise your stock again. At least don't act like you're a selfless human being that does it for the entire comunity) , the fact is that breaks DO favor newbies , and the fact is nobody asked for long breaks , or even often breaks at that. They only reason they would provide long breaks is if they have some sort of issues to solve , in which case that would hardly be the fault of players that asked for a couple days of break. You even suggesting that is ridiculous in itself.