Thread: The Summon Beast in the Earth Guide

Oi, lolix, i would like to ask if you even read my post on the last page.

I will ask you the simple question:

We have two silver rogues, Cecily and Harissa. Are you going to get them both to 50CC50 and use them? I can understand EVENTUALLY max affing them for scenes, but are you going to use them? Feed every extra copy to them to make them "great" units?

If the answer is yes, then i guess i am out of this case.

If the answer is no, then you have to know that MANY event units will be just as useless as that Harissa/Cecily you just skipped raising fully. Will you still work on getting all those "useless" units to max skill and CR by mashing an event?

Because if not, then these events are the perfect ones to only 3star and get a copy of the unit from. The rest of those events you can do dailies at your own leisure and fill up your stock of items again. We will get MANY of those "useless unit" events in the future and we will most likely even be told this or be able to deem this ourselves ahead of time.

So in this case, we will not need breaks because all the units we get and won't use will overwhelm us and we can spend all those events just getting more rubies from phalanx 2.

i actually got both silver thiefs cc-ed, lol ,for the H scenes. Harrisa is even max cr-ed and i use her as a very fast deploy unit...even more then cypria purely becasue of cost tenhou.

edit :eab - I'm pretty sure i said that we don't have those at the moment , nor does it seem like we have any revival event planet soon yet. Not saying that we won't have those in the future tho , so not sure how you got that. Also my hypothetical scenario involved people stoping to play entirely >> which is legit one of the most likely outcome in my case if we keep going at this pace. Not sure why would u believe i said that people would leave for said server.

That's clearly a preference thing and you'd get far more mileage out of a mincost soldier. Both rogues are easily replaceable and the number of situations where they would actually being useful are small.

You would choose to focus your resources on mincosting them anyway. Fine.

But you would want the game to slow down for you so you could focus on more important units, when that's what you should have done to begin with. That's not fine.

and why the hell are you assuming i maxed harrisa on the course of this 3 event back to back period ? Harrisa was cc-ed and lvled way before. I mincosted her becasue i got a crapload of copies which i had very little use and were simply wasting space. I already have cypria cc-ed as well and literally every other rogue cc-ed as well. I still got a couple extra silver rogues in case i will need for cc.

But that is also my point, lolix. You won't be maxing every little unit you have will you? I can understand getting them to 30 and CCing to eventually aff them for scenes, but max leveling and stuff for many units is rather stupid. Which is what i want to get to with events - we will get many of those useless units in them too, that is how we get a break so to speak since they'll be in the same position as those silver units you never care to max out :P

Originally Posted by Tenhou

But that is also my point, lolix. You won't be maxing every little unit you have will you? I can understand getting them to 30 and CCing to eventually aff them for scenes, but max leveling and stuff for many units is rather stupid. Which is what i want to get to with events - we will get many of those useless units in them too, that is how we get a break so to speak since they'll be in the same position as those silver units you never care to max out :P

tenhou i get the feeling people are either dense or intentionally playing stupid. I am nost asking for large breaks , or even very often breaks. I asked for a couple of days once every 1-2 months or so (depending on what events we get). Assuming u get 1 week after 3-4 events , in which u will get 3-4 units , and assuming u do the monday dailies and the cristal dailies like we all do , would u have time to raise 300 aff items in 5 days ? Obviously not , unless u use SC , so from the start , we're all expecting we won't get perfect units. But getting a few days to do other stuff then event without having to sacrifice either a event unit (no matter how bad it is , most events give plats. Even a bad plat like shiho for example is probablu better then a non min cost caliope for example) , which free players don't get that many off. Especially newer ones.

Will you necessarily need that mincost if you are new/free? I only managed a -1CR Echidna and she served me really well despite barely being upgraded. Nowadays i do not use her since i have better healers, but she served me well with just that -1CR during times when i actually needed her.

And right now at the stage i am at, she would probably seldom be used even if she was maxed out. So i'd say just getting a copy of a bad unit to temporarily have in your team is still very good and does not need much improvement.

As for the 300 aff item deal. This assumes that we get GOOD units in those events. The ones not being incorporated into the team can wait for a lucky day. During this event i have maxed out Bashira in less than a week and am halfway with Liana, so i'd say those "bad" events are plenty of time if you just grind phalanx2 after getting a copy and/or 3 starred every map.

Originally Posted by lolix

tenhou i get the feeling people are either dense or intentionally playing stupid. I am nost asking for large breaks , or even very often breaks. I asked for a couple of days once every 1-2 months or so (depending on what events we get). Assuming u get 1 week after 3-4 events , in which u will get 3-4 units , and assuming u do the monday dailies and the cristal dailies like we all do , would u have time to raise 300 aff items in 5 days ? Obviously not , unless u use SC , so from the start , we're all expecting we won't get perfect units. But getting a few days to do other stuff then event without having to sacrifice either a event unit (no matter how bad it is , most events give plats. Even a bad plat like shiho for example is probablu better then a non min cost caliope for example) , which free players don't get that many off. Especially newer ones.

And you keep ignoring us when we say that there are breaks during events where mincosting the unit in question is fruitless or useless and you were better off doing other things.

I literally just said in the other post that I just 100%'d Daniela and Kerry just this week. Because they were low priority, and I obviously had other units to focus on.

Just because you're unable to prioritize what you should be focusing on doesn't mean everyone else has to waste time doing something else. Key word: waste. You even used the word yourself. You know that people would rather be doing other things. But you don't care.

There is literally no good reason to slow down the game. Period.

Decided to add in something as quotes from other dmm players, since nobody reads my previous link. and I CBA to continue discussion with people who just wants to ramble around the same point.
I will just say that I do not deny that the discussions have let me lean further away from break, but overall I'm still pro break. simply because it's less stressful.

Edit: just to add on, my current opinion is that there is an issue here which is that things is going to be tough for newbies in back-to-back. adding a slight break may be a solution, or maybe we can have something else. But nobreak faction thus far has only rejected the arguments that newbies would get to enjoy breaks and basically telling newbies and those who can't manage to somehow manage or suck it up. Nothing wrong with that, but there's no point carrying on if there's no solution to be found.

I'm so glad I started on nutaku early. Playing on dmm is so hard for me. Every event I need specific unit I don't have. Needed witch so i leveled 2 and somehow managed to get maxed star trial unit. Then I needed additional healing so i leveled my priest warrior. Platinum healer. Leveled event unit. Strong archer. Bough Spica. Aw healer. Well, I was doomed not enough time for that. Now at least 2 strong soldiers and 3 heavies and I only have Katie and 2 HA. Damn, I just can't keep up with everything. I'm working on 1 thing and I need the other one. I'm starting to work on the other one and I need additional 2 I don't have. Not to mention it's impossible to get decent amount of DC with those constant events. At least it's a lot of fun cause each week is like getting Solano's difficulty event and you need to figure how to deal with it.

It's not unmanageable, yes. but doesn't mean it feels great not being able to keep up with everything during back-to-backs.

It's only hard cause you don't have specific units which are best for that kind of mission and need to work around it. Most of those event I would be able to clear with units I already have here. The problem is that if you want to clear events you need a solid team and specific units that will help you in that particular event but you start with nothing and it's hard to catch up. You also lack event units that everybody who plays for some time has. No Rowanna that is immune to paralyze and can tank dracolich, no Karma that can cheat with her immortality, no bishop/shaman that can switch between healing and attacking. It's funny how units that are rather useless for most of missions now cause they are too gimmicky are a necessity later.

Well, I started playing on DMM around two months ago, maybe more... It was tough as hell at first, but with a little help from Sacred Crystals and a lot (a lot) of luck, I managed to get units to form a very solid team. Namely, Ester, the black mage is pretty damn sick (extra range from affection, highest dam of all mages and increase atk skill).

Even so, I can only dream about awakening for now. I tried one of the awakening dailies and got squashed.

anyway, that aside, the new event in dmm looks fun. nanaly! prince! roy! leo! we're gonna fight against copies of our units xD

I don't recall subscribing to the "Break or no-break pros and cons" thread