Thread: Some questions

If you want a Sybilla more for every battle in existence then you need to rethink a little. That said, i am not going to argue the usefulness of either, i know a princess will serve well in many cases and that it is one of the better starters you can get. It's not like this spotlight is very good for beginners in general though. Of course, he could get lucky and get something not in the spotlight, chances aren't increased tremendously after all.

All in all, up to him if he can be arsed.

you obviously won't need a princess 8n every battles , but then again , you don't even need witches in every battle either....or extra hp on your units for that matter. For people that will have other witches (like belinda that can increase attack for all witches) or even cloris with ranged assasination , they will probably use those over adele , since witches are used more for their utility then damage (in belinda's case , her big big range , and i cloris's case , her chance to insta kill stuff - which is better in both cases then adele's utility in general) , then deploying a witch to give units 10% extra hp. I mean , adele is even more situational then sybilla in that regards

Originally Posted by lolix

are we going to argue which 1 is better on long term ? Adele or sybilla ? I'f rather have sybilla in 100% of the cases then 250 more health on my tank

Ah lolix, must you turn every conversation into an argument? Tenhou was really just pointing out something that we all probably missed.
Adele IS an amazing unit, which if i am perfectly honest, would trade my berna with.

Despite being a black rogue, I almost never use her other than the rare 2nd duelist needed maps. Any unit with a passive team bonus stat is an autokeep for me, i mean most people awaken katie and all she adds is 2% def. (Although if i were you, i'll definitely keep sybilla too because shes one of the few lolis that got through and your name is lolix )

Note: the passive bonus does not need them to be deployed. Just being in the sortie gives the bonus. 10% hp is on the high end. Get a few units with passive bonuses and you got a broken team without even deploying much.

That said, @rama, once you get bashira up, you can handle thursay's Hard mode with no issues. That mode requires you to have one CC-ed archer but thats it. You'll probably want to get adele as your 2 or 3rd AW target. After spica and maybe an easy gold unit.

Originally Posted by lolix

cloris's case , her chance to insta kill stuff - which is better in both cases then adele's utility in general

People don't use Chloris for the instant kill chance and it has a very low chance to trigger. Basically, unreliable and it's not better than Adele's utility. Adele also has an upgraded version of Chloris' skill (which means more damage output) and is generally more useful in end-game situations compared to Chloris.

Originally Posted by exk

People don't use Chloris for the instant kill chance and it has a very low chance to trigger. Basically, unreliable and it's not better than Adele's utility. Adele also has an upgraded version of Chloris' skill (which means more damage output) and is generally more useful in end-game situations compared to Chloris.

just how low is her chance anyway ? Because a good assasination on a priority target can be worth more then extra hp. Ofc , as all assasinations it is entirely rng dependant , so it has the oportunity of going realy good or really bad. And i'd still prefer to have a long range witch over a high damage witch anyway. Which is why i do like belinda(and even yuyu more).


Also buttlover , this IS an argument. We are arguing about the benefits of reroling an account of not. They said adele is a good unit. I disagree. But the beauty of this game us that it can be played in multiple ways , so it means that what i say can be valid for my account , and what you do is for yours.

Right now i was advising a newer player based on my own experience as a free player , compared to others that sometimes don't realize that scs can be hard to get

Originally Posted by lolix

just how low is her chance anyway ? Because a good assasination on a priority target can be worth more then extra hp. Ofc , as all assasinations it is entirely rng dependant , so it has the oportunity of going realy good or really bad. And i'd still prefer to have a long range witch over a high damage witch anyway. Which is why i do like belinda(and even yuyu more).


Also buttlover , this IS an argument. We are arguing about the benefits of reroling an account of not. They said adele is a good unit. I disagree. But the beauty of this game us that it can be played in multiple ways , so it means that what i say can be valid for my account , and what you do is for yours.

Right now i was advising a newer player based on my own experience as a free player , compared to others that sometimes don't realize that scs can be hard to get

orz. just understand that the only reliable assassinate is probably berna and raven, every other unit's assassinate can be assumed to be non-existent (and even berna's assassinate is really unreliable if not for the fact that she attacks fast as a rogue). There really isn't a need to question details mentioned multiple times already, IMO.
and basically, my experience as a free player is that forgoing adele for a reroll chance for a random black is not worth it. SCs are hard to get, yes. but you don't need premium summons.

It should be a 2% chance to instant kill, but you have to remember that there are instant death multipliers on enemies. Bosses have a low multiplier, which will make it nearly impossible to kill them unless you are very lucky.

http://aigis.dougax.net/%E8%AC%8E%E3...95%B0%E5%AD%97

Good luck using her against enemies with 0.001x multipliers!

Originally Posted by soranokira

orz. just understand that the only reliable assassinate is probably berna and raven, every other unit's assassinate can be assumed to be non-existent (and even berna's assassinate is really unreliable if not for the fact that she attacks fast as a rogue). There really isn't a need to question details mentioned multiple times already, IMO.
and basically, my experience as a free player is that forgoing adele for a reroll chance for a random black is not worth it. SCs are hard to get, yes. but you don't need premium summons.

i disagree sora. Also i'm not advising to reroll for blacks. He doesn't even need blacks. He could do with some good plats and golds. And considering that he has something around what ....10% for a plat and 37% for a gold? If he uses 50 scs , he should get a plat on average on every acount , and at least 3-4 golds. better if he's lucky. He could get a princess , or a tank. He didn't even gotten a bernice for god's sake which should be base. I mean , yeah even if what he got is better then what the game gave him for free , it doesn't change the fact that he could have gotten another good unit of other class , and use his free golds , that most of us still use even now ( because they are plenty good )and have better units in another roles that could help him more. For example he has plenty of witches to use from. How will those help him when he will face a event that is focused on tanking ? or on physical dps ? Or on aoe damage ? If he gotten at least a bernice , or a decent mage instead of another yuyu i wouldn't have advised for reroll , but he got too many units of the same class.

Originally Posted by exk

It should be a 2% chance to instant kill, but you have to remember that there are instant death multipliers on enemies. Bosses have a low multiplier, which will make it nearly impossible to kill them unless you are very lucky.

http://aigis.dougax.net/%E8%AC%8E%E3...95%B0%E5%AD%97

Good luck using her against enemies with 0.001x multipliers!

nice, thanks for that link. I remembered there was a list of assassination data but forgot the link.
looks like I was more or less right to say only berna and raven are reliable for assassinating, and even then it's mostly for elite units like valks and armors.

Originally Posted by exk

It should be a 2% chance to instant kill, but you have to remember that there are instant death multipliers on enemies. Bosses have a low multiplier, which will make it nearly impossible to kill them unless you are very lucky.

http://aigis.dougax.net/%E8%AC%8E%E3...95%B0%E5%AD%97

Good luck using her against enemies with 0.001x multipliers!

that would explain why i have never seen assassinate proc on any boss. Thought they were immune, but looks like they are just 0.0-fuk this i gotta learn japanese.