Some questions

Yeah thats a big problem having multiple units of the same class :( Cloris is average, at least better than silver ones right? Though i'd prefer another gold or even a useful silver over 2nd yuyu and/or another plat other than adele, considering what all of you said in this thread. But whatever i keep rerolling accounts, summoning from shrine all the time. Im doing this after i get 10 sc on every account but no fuking luck i have, all gold or silver units...
Aand i noticed something while playing, a team of full black of all classes cant do much good on some maps which requires low uc but having one or two is good for long term gameplay. Well you already know that :)

Edit: Need help btw bashira needs 3 archers and adele 1 for cc and i've got 3 what should i do :(

Edit2: Here is my 6th account drops, what are ur suggestions? Adele or lilia? Got this on 2nd roll as you can see. (not thinking to roll another until i got another 50 sc so 10 sc for this months stamp is gonna lost btw)
http://i.hizliresim.com/o3PAZq.jpg

cc bashira first, and wait for adele's.
as for adele vs lilia, it depends on what you prefer. from what I can tell, you would be leaning towards lilia since you don't like adele so much due to having cloris as an easily obtainable witch.
I suppose I myself might go for lilia's, if I'm ok with forgoing what effort I have already put in for the 1st account, as well as depending on how many SCs obtained for previous event.
Lilia is a good duelist, but I do kinda want adele for 10% hp eventually too, so either works.

I'm willing to bet lolix will say lilia account.

the gold you got is pretty niche and you won't use much , but take it from someone that still lacks a princess....on 2 accounts (other then a god damn themis >> and even themis which is gold and the crappiest possible princess , served me well in some cases) : Princesses are realy good to have. They are great duelists , and you don't need to waste resources cc-ing them for them to use their full potential. That's a nice bonus for a starter. As sora said , yes , eventualy , in end gmae events , adele will be a boost, but you have months of playing till then. Months of lilia serving you better

All in all , a very good roll. I just hope the rest of your rolls will be just as good , because this acount has potential starting with a strong princess right at the start

EDIT : @ sora his acount was 1 week old aparently....and he had like 4 or 5 scs (doubt he could finish 5 maps of the event with a week old acount tho) from previous events. hardly that big of a loss. Its another reason why i suggested rerolling another account : because he didn't invested that much time and resources in it

Ok started farming it already ^^ having lilia and possible good drops in the future makes it better than the old one and pegasus rider sounds cool as it have an aoe attack skill which is useful in urgent times and have 15 mr so with lilia it can tank liches pretty well am i right? (btw whats the meaning of niche? U are using it differently from dictionary lol) and as for boost %10 hp wont much i think because the real problem in most maps is the one-hitting bosses, but adele could go better with lilia :P well thx for all suggestions

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Originally Posted by ramazan

Yeah thats a big problem having multiple units of the same class :( Cloris is average, at least better than silver ones right? Though i'd prefer another gold or even a useful silver over 2nd yuyu and/or another plat other than adele, considering what all of you said in this thread. But whatever i keep rerolling accounts, summoning from shrine all the time. Im doing this after i get 10 sc on every account but no fuking luck i have, all gold or silver units...
Aand i noticed something while playing, a team of full black of all classes cant do much good on some maps which requires low uc but having one or two is good for long term gameplay. Well you already know that :)

Edit: Need help btw bashira needs 3 archers and adele 1 for cc and i've got 3 what should i do :(

Edit2: Here is my 6th account drops, what are ur suggestions? Adele or lilia? Got this on 2nd roll as you can see. (not thinking to roll another until i got another 50 sc so 10 sc for this months stamp is gonna lost btw)
http://i.hizliresim.com/o3PAZq.jpg

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The fact that lolix had to whip out a black princess to compare it against adele, should tell you how valuable adele is as a plat. (unfair comparison but hey, thats lolix)

The "reroll strat" that freemium guides teach is that you want either a premium plat or black.

But if adele is not a good premium for you, and you listen to the toxic 1% then you are aiming for only these blacks, not all black mind you, because some blacks are actually bad for new players. Specifically you want Nanaly, Minerva, Mikoto, Despara, Sybilla, Olivie, Deine which are above adele for beginners.
Thats the 1% aim right there. If you want to reroll, might as well make it good.

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Originally Posted by lolix

just how low is her chance anyway ? Because a good assasination on a priority target can be worth more then extra hp. Ofc , as all assasinations it is entirely rng dependant , so it has the oportunity of going realy good or really bad. And i'd still prefer to have a long range witch over a high damage witch anyway. Which is why i do like belinda(and even yuyu more).


Also buttlover , this IS an argument. We are arguing about the benefits of reroling an account of not. They said adele is a good unit. I disagree. But the beauty of this game us that it can be played in multiple ways , so it means that what i say can be valid for my account , and what you do is for yours.

Right now i was advising a newer player based on my own experience as a free player , compared to others that sometimes don't realize that scs can be hard to get :)

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Funny how you are using my own words (beauty of the game is that can be played in multiple ways) that i used to explain why i play the game, to everyone multiple times, as the justification of your points.

You have some grave misconceptions, that new players must follow your example of rolling blacks and play like you. You are leading the vast majority of new players/lurkers into needless self-comparisons of how their own girls are "not good enough". Aigis is NOT a competition, just because you have a high ego doesn't give you the right to step on others and insist that rolling Nanally or Sybilla is the norm. God knows how many account you made (and are lying about), but that doesn't mean everyone should make dozens of accounts to finally enjoy a simple tower defence game.

I don't want people to quit after thinking they are unlucky or think their team is not good enough after creating multiple accounts and not getting that rare unit. Its hard enough to get people to break the sigma of the hentai game and play this game as it is.

You talk like you understand new free players but then you offering strategies that involve crazy dps like having only 2 mages to clear IB. You have freaking odette, solano and blacks. You do realise nutaku gives only shitty plat for the newer players for the past few months. Duelist upon duelist (MS->Rogue->MS->Puppet->Ninja->Pirate, finally not duelist but worse than bashira/spica)
Which means most people are still stuck with several silvers at the core HAT postions and witches/mages.

HOW DO I KNOW THAT? I am a free player too (technically), I barely have 100 slots for space. Of the black/premium plats that i have are well...one berna that i got a month in. Thats it, gold/silver rolls only before and after. My core team is 2 free plats, berna and rest are gold/silver units. Yet i am still willing to trade berna for adele, because adele is more practical. Berna is SO rng based, and i don't have the stam/cha to fool around. She gets fun when AW comes but adele gets so much more useful.

I spent 30 bucks in December because I am a working adult who actually is willing to support the things I enjoy. (Slightly below the average price i pay for games i play) It isn't much but every dollar keeps the content going. (at least what i thought last year)
The SC is still rotting in the account unused..at least until awakening. Hey but if that makes me a P2W guy, then so be it.

Lolix now supports an account with an actual poorer roll than the original? Why am i not surprised. Goes to show how much he just wants to be "right"
No wonder you are always in an argument. When you are wrong, you are still right.

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Originally Posted by ramazan

Ok started farming it already ^^ having lilia and possible good drops in the future makes it better than the old one and pegasus rider sounds cool as it have an aoe attack skill which is useful in urgent times and have 15 mr so with lilia it can tank liches pretty well am i right? (btw whats the meaning of niche? U are using it differently from dictionary lol) and as for boost %10 hp wont much i think because the real problem in most maps is the one-hitting bosses, but adele could go better with lilia :P well thx for all suggestions

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by niche, we are referring to the same way niche is used here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niche_market

@buttlover to be fair, having any plat + princess is great for a starting account, since you can't get a magic damage dealing duelist otherwise among your starting repertoire. but I do agree that rerolling is rather pointless. lilia is arguably much weaker than sherry, but her 15 MR as well as high hp is significantly useful, not to mention her AW is <3 Lilia is outright the no.1 tankiest princess as it is, ignoring olivie's dodge (which only means she's immune to physical, but her low hp makes her a bit dangerous to use against magic enemies) and karma's 13s of inability to die.

then again, considering we're likely to get claudia within next 10 events, and adele's 10% hp is can be considered outright broken (like aria's 2% atk), it's a pretty close toss up for both accounts.

Maybe i just lack experience on the wonderful love of aigis's princesses. All i have is themis, on nutaku and nothing on dmm. Themis dies SO quickly that i refuse to give her any affection. I swear her big boobies are making her take more damage.

Maybe its just me, but i find the duelist role very easy to fulfil, all the so-called niche classes become niche because they are mostly duelists that compete with valkyries/princesses. But really, If given a choice for duelists starters, i want someone like Cellia. (i wanted her so badly, almost gave up saving SC during her spotlight)

That and Princesses are SO costly that you probably CANT deploy them in most maps for new accounts. But they are pretty to have I wont lie, I want Olivie's OP skills. Btw, isn't Sybilla supposed to be the tankiest princess? (from what i heard)

Ok nvm, its illia's skillset. Gotta find out how it works post AW, seems like para has no effect during recovery? Know any videos featuring this?

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Originally Posted by buttlover

Maybe i just lack experience on the wonderful love of aigis's princesses. All i have is themis, on nutaku and nothing on dmm. Themis dies SO quickly that i refuse to give her any affection. I swear her big boobies are making her take more damage.

Maybe its just me, but i find the duelist role very easy to fulfil, all the so-called niche classes become niche because they are mostly duelists that compete with valkyries/princesses. But really, If given a choice for duelists starters, i want someone like Cellia. (i wanted her so badly, almost gave up saving SC during her spotlight)

That and Princesses are SO costly that you probably CANT deploy them in most maps for new accounts. But they are pretty to have I wont lie, I want Olivie's OP skills. Btw, isn't Sybilla supposed to be the tankiest princess? (from what i heard)

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true, cellia is great to have, just like cuterie and monica.
also, princesses are great, like in the 8th map (final battle in the dark night X) during horus event. I mean yeah kerry and other valks can take care of it too, but lilia actually does it better and more safely due to her higher MR as compared to kerry. and smashes liches faster. Also Solano's Flame Beast X map where lilia/sherry would be great for taking out the ifrits.

also, like I mentioned, plat+ princess. themis is just too weak for a princess. lilia/sherry on the other hand, has the min requirement to do what you need a princess to do for the most part. and no, sybilla is not the tankiest princess, no way in hell. her AW ability gives her range during skill, which is pretty good, but her skill AW gives her additional range and dmg while removing the assassination chance. OTOH, lilia's AW ability is hp regen over time (unlike rikka's, it's regenerating regardless whether lilia is attacking or not), and her skill AW gives her BOTH atk and def boost and increases hp regen rate. coupled with her higher-than-sherry MR, she's virtually unkillable while packing enough offense and def to do her job.

I have 0 ideea why you're arguing without reading what others previously said buttlover.


First of all , it wasn't me that compared adele with fucking sybilla. Tenhou said that even if he rolls a black , its most likely to be either liana or sybilla , and he said that he'd rather go with an adele for the long term. To which i asked if anyone would preffer adele over sybilla on the long term , and the whole argument started there.


Second of all , i fucking said , like.....3-4 comments before yours (when i responded to sora) , that i didn't advised rerolling for blacks. I said a combination of good plats and golds could work well.


Third , my 2 accounts have a combined number of blacks of .... 1. And that 1 was when i came back to the game , and made a new account just to re-learn the game. My primary account lacks even now a black...or a pirncess for that matter. I also have cellia as a duelist , and i can tell you , there are maps (like the one with the tanky lich) where you would need a princess. I think it was on charlotte's event ? Or rika's ? Hell , the other acount , with a god damn themis did better on said map. Princesses are amazing to have at the begining.



Fourth point : My second acount was blind stupid luck (i got nanaly on my first roll) , and before i even started playing on it , i made a post like all the newbies here , asking on how good is nanaly and if its worth abandoning my older acount for it , since i thought i couldn't play on 2 either. Kotono and tenhou advised me to try both and decide what i like , and i kept both in the end. Those are my only 2 accounts. To that , i tried making a 3rd , like 2-3 weeks ago when mikoto was spotlight , and that was just for gigles , to tease samyy , but i don't play on it. Regardless , even if i had made many many acounts , what's your problem with that ? It would mean that i DO HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE then you in making good acounts , which was what he was asking advice for anyway. This is a idiotic point.


Now , as i said , i don't have a problem with people wanting to play without rerolling , but if they post here , then they have some obvious doubts as well. I just explained that strong units at the start can help tremendiously , in the long run , especially considering the fact that as a free players , you wont get to do so many premium rolls often. That is a FACT. Seeing as he got a crapload of 1 class units , and that the game already gives that class for free (sure it's a bit weaker , but its a gold regardless) , AND that his acount is new and he didn't invested that much in it , i said that if he decides to reroll , he should reroll now.
That is also just my opinion , AND I SAID FROM THE START THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO DO as i advise if he likes his rolls.



Now i would apreciate if you got that stick out of your ass and not take everything personal.


EDIT : also , as i said to others before , you can try both acounts for a while and see what you like best @ramazan