Thread: Provenance's Beginner's Unit Tier List

I get the rest of S tier but why is danielle even above B?

If we are talking about current nutaku:
You severely lack enough silver archers to CC both bashira/spica AND daniela
Besides you get bashira early enough to CC her for thursday's daily (very impt to get bash up)
or you can delay your CC-ing of your other units by CC-ing daniela. (witches need 1, archers need 3..count and you'll know its not enough to share your silver archers)

Guessing you want to keep 6 silver archers for bash/spica since nutaku gives silver drops like how dmm gives plats.

If we are talking about dmm aigis:
We want a min-costed daniele (i needed archers at the start and i was SO tempted to CC a daniele) but..
Silver archers are SO important as fodder, that despite having so many events dropping them. I still need more even NOW.
3 to CC, 4 to AW = 7 silver archers per Awakened Plat Archer.
Not considering that some units REQUIRE silver archers as well, and you cant buy them off the trading post.

Only way you can afford to get min-costed daniele is you have bad rolls on your premium gacha. Like really bad lucky rolls (get silver but its a silver archer) or flash that ultimate card that bring in them grills.

If you only read one sentence, here is the summary: SILVER ARCHERS = RARE! DONT WASTE TO CC SILVER ARCHER TILL YOU GET MANY

Originally Posted by buttlover

I get the rest of S tier but why is danielle even above B?

because she is easy to get and strong for a cheap archer, and if you get her it's easy to clear many maps (even in silver only or gold and below strats in DMM, most will include daniela for archer)
and another reason is because we don't get Claire, otherwise Daniela would be pushed down to A probably, since Claire > Daniela and isn't all that hard to get, from what I can tell (mainly from gold rush and stuff)

Too many people giving me headaches today. So I'll spent 10 minutes in a nice format explain every single detail of my thought process.

The thing about archers
You get bashira FREE literally within a day of playing. Nutaku's permanent TP has the spica for cheap. 10 SC = spica immediately. 15 if you are unlucky. Or grind it out for 1.5 months. Thats the time it took for my spica in dmm. 10-15 SC/1.5 months for a confirmed plat? SeemsGood.

2 of the best plat archers in its class even by DMM's standard. Both easy to obtain.
Why waste so much affection and 2 silver archers on a danielia that a new player will not min-cost?
(a 9 cost silver archer is very useful on some UP costly maps, but that is out of reach for new players)

Not that daniela is a bad unit, she is a great silver. But you don't need a silver archer that costs 2-3 UP less.
Danielia cost 12. Spica 14. Bashria 15.
Spica and bashria will be with you, pretty much forever. Daniela will fade to super niche.

So if i skip Daniela, how long does it take to level Bashira?
It is about 1.2 times harder to level a plat unit than leveling a silver unit. (According to Exp table from dmm)
But you have an excess of silver from clearing a map. So the mats for CC-ing are definely covered.

So why do people rate Daniela so highly?
Daniela is strong, thats why. But it can be noted that free players, myself included save stam/char by watching videos that guide us through the levels.
Those video makers understand that free players don't have access to strong units. So they use as basic units as possible to showcase the importance of positioning/timing over rarity.

This might lead to a preferential treatment of certain units.

Comparing units for dummies
Comparing unit ________________________ Bashria vs Daniela vs Spica
Easy to Get? ______________________________ ☑ _______☑_______☐*
Easy to Deploy?____________________________ ☑ _______☑_______☑
Strength of unit early?_______________________☑ _______☑_______☑
Usefulness late? (Post Awakening)_____________☑ _______☐_______☑
(*Spica is considered "hard" only because you don't get her immediately. Only after playing for a month or so.)

So what is provenance's tier list based on? Experience and...feelings~ the feels
Bashira you scum, your cat ears cant beat daniele's boobs.

fair enough, that's a legit point buttlover. I'll just add in one more thing where provenance mentioned why bashira is pushed down:

It will take many weeks of grinding to level up and grind your team to a level capable of unlocking the higher level challenge quests necessary to farm Platinum spirits as well.

Tenhou, how long did we take to get to phalanx 2 again? a week? and 2 weeks for you to get the black fairy from tuesday daily for your esther cc?

Originally Posted by soranokira

fair enough, that's a legit point buttlover. I'll just add in one more thing where provenance mentioned why bashira is pushed down:

Tenhou, how long did we take to get to phalanx 2 again? a week? and 2 weeks for you to get the black fairy from tuesday daily for your esther cc?

I sure had a plat spirit before i managed to get Bashira to 50 for all i know...
And yes that was at most a week and a half.

The problem with this tier list is that it tries to do too many things at once and ends up being kind of useless and nonsensical. You should decide exactly what you're trying to do.

For example, Bernice is obviously better than Leeanne if you have her, so it's just weird and confusing that she's on a lower tier. If someone got a Bernice early on, he'd be confused by that. If not it doesn't even matter.

Restricting it to free units only or making a proper power level tier list would make more sense imo.

Originally Posted by Tenhou

I sure had a plat spirit before i managed to get Bashira to 50 for all i know...
And yes that was at most a week and a half.

People tend to assume that you need 4 plat fairies when you can just level her to 50 with normal fodder. It's expensive, but it's not like you can use a plat armor on every unit anyway.

Conrad in D tier, Eunice in B tier, Kerry in B tier, Elaine of all units in A tier. I'll accept Eunice being there but what are the other duelists doing?

Fedora in B tier below all worse healers (excluding Chydis)

Originally Posted by Sasha

Conrad in D tier, Eunice in B tier, Kerry in B tier, Elaine of all units in A tier. I'll accept Eunice being there but what are the other duelists doing?

Fedora in B tier below all worse healers (excluding Chydis)

probably supposed to be misha in A-tier, but we dont get misha. elaine's probably supposed to be B-tier, but since we don't get Kerry anymore, she got pushed to A-tier due to a lack of choice. A-tier being necessity to level and use said unit. which was why I said:

Elaine and Calliope are seriously lucky to even be placed in A-tier here. by DMM standards both would be nothing more than B-tier.

First things first, thank you for your work provenance

Right, i'm quite confused as to why people are arguing in this thread, i did not read anything in Provenance topic where he said "WEAKLINGS DO AS I SAY OR ROT IN HELL". So it's most likely an opinion which he shares with us, right?

From my point of view the topic tries to explain how "worth" are units and how useful can be units to succeed in aigis. Since it worked for him many times, why argue about it?

I started this game two months ago by now, when i started i read as much things as i could to get as much informations as i could, and i wouldn't give a damn about the "BEST WAY".
Takin informations and doing things your own way, whether you succeed or fail is up to you.

It is an opinion, and thus we discuss it, is that a bad thing? It is a good thing to discuss things like when someone makes a tier list of what he finds best to start with because we throw in our experiences to create something meaningful. To not discuss and just let it stand there is to silently agree and say "yes everyone should do like this" while discussing means we disagree and want to argue for why some units are better as well as hear more from him why he feels some units are placed where they are.

That said, i guess he made the tier list from how he sees units in accordance to how easy they are to get. So Bernice as an example got into a lower tier because you might not even get her.

Anyhow, promoting discussions is what a forum exists for. It would actually be weird if he did not get different opinions about his choices.