Thread: Removed Facebook Posts

Originally Posted by Schverika

Excellent, you've finally said it out loud: "We're not good enough".

Now that it's acknowledged, the next question would be "well how do I become good enough? I'm powerless now, but must I stay that way for the rest of my life?" I bring this up because that's a more constructive line of thought. Granted, all you wanted was to vent your frustrations. Much as people complain, if they don't act afterwards it shows how little they actually care about the topic.


The restriction is due to lack of capability. Not because of some rule saying "only those who are obligated should act".

What the hell? No, that's NOT the next question.

When people are dissatisfied with a game, they suggest the makers do something to improve the game, or move onto something else. They don't necessarily make their own game.

Dissatisfied with a restaurant? Complain to the owners for compensation, or have food somewhere else. Not start their own restaurant.

And so on. Extend this line of thought to every product/service in existence. The answer isn't simply "make your own".

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves. It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality. If everyone could make their own thing, there'd be no point to a business.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves.

Again with this rationalization of sloth. You seem obsessed with blame, fault and obligation. Those are not relevant in the argument I'm putting together. Stop looking for what isn't there in my words.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality.

An attempt to dilute the 'target scope' by pointing out everybody else. The correct answer is "I am striving in a different field of life, therefore I choose not to strive in this one".

Originally Posted by Schverika

Again with this rationalization of sloth. You seem obsessed with blame, fault and obligation. Those are not relevant in the argument I'm putting together. Stop looking for what isn't there in my words.

An attempt to dilute the 'target scope' by pointing out everybody else. The correct answer is "I am striving in a different field of life, therefore I choose not to strive in this one".

See, if you know that what you're asking for isn't feasible, then why bother mentioning it? That's even more pointless than just regular complaining.

This isn't about laziness. It's a fact that most people recognize they aren't qualified to take part in this (or any) business, therefore they choose not to devote resources to it, much like people don't just drop everything they have and take part in improving every underperforming business they come across.

Or even if they were qualified, they don't see it feasible to just snatch up Aigis from beneath Nutaku's grasp and improve it on their own accord or something. It's called being realistic. The only realistic choices for most people are to complain to Nutaku until they improve, or find their gaming/waifu fix elsewhere, whether it's DMM, other games, or waiting for another company to pick up the slack. Not "make my own localization company for DMM games."

I'm pretty sure you're just fucking with me at this point.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

I'm pretty sure you're just fucking with me at this point.

My original post on this topic wasn't directed at you, but I do thank you for helping me hammer out the points. You could have walked away but you kept contributing.

My intent was to get (a subset of) people to realise they've taken up a sense of entitlement to unreasonable levels. Yes, people have a need to let off steam from pent up frustrations. Of course they're entitled, perhaps even obligated, to give feedback to companies about things they're not doing well. But what happens is a vulgar vomit of vicious vitriol - incivility.

At core, someone has set up a company to deliver something you care about. You have explicitly pointed out how that person is better than most people. It need not be said how many ways that company isn't living up to customer expectations. They are still doing much better than what most people could do themselves. Unreasonable entitlement is thinking a small (from a company's perspective) amount of money buys you the justification to verbally abuse[1] an entity more competent than you. Such an attitude is hiding from the core of the issue: frustration that you aren't in a position to do better yourself - i.e. refusal to acknowledge one's own powerlessness.


[1]That's not to say aggressive coercion has no place. Just that it doesn't require superficial disrespect to pull off.

So you took a "blame the userbase even if the company is still partially at fault" approach? That's idiotic, but fine.

I don't see why you had to go through this roundabout method of pointing out entitlement now. Remember that the whole reason this thread came about was because Nutaku didn't properly inform us of the situation. We can only see that lolis are starting to get into other games, yet Aigis continues to lag behind with no Mischa/Nenya/Claire/Bella/etc. It took NutakuDev to post for us to know that they still have to be hush-hush about what content pushes the boundaries. So it was natural for the userbase to complain.

I see, so this is this phenomena.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

So you took a "blame the userbase even if the company is still partially at fault" approach?

Originally Posted by Schverika

You seem obsessed with blame, fault and obligation.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

So it was natural for the userbase to complain.

Originally Posted by Schverika

Of course they're entitled, perhaps even obligated, to give feedback to companies about things they're not doing well.

What does that have to do with anything? If it looks like one game is getting more lenient with censorship than another, it's going to draw criticism. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

What doesn't make sense is you trying to suggest that the userbase should do better. There are better ways of pointing out entitlement than using that fallacy.

Since we're doing the Wikipedia thing now, you seem to be invoking this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

While few (if any) of us are qualified to criticize how Nutaku handles its payment processors, that doesn't make the suggestion that they should find a better one any less justified. Particularly when the argument that other companies can localize loli material just fine keeps cropping up.

On that note, I think we've derailed this thread long enough. It's unlikely that the users will take your advice of magically improving themselves to make their own payment processor/localization company, so this conversation is clearly going nowhere. Hell, it's unlikely that people will lose any sense of entitlement either. It goes without saying that people will still complain. I just think the complaints were justified this time since the boundaries weren't (and still aren't) clear as to what does and doesn't get censored.

Originally Posted by Eab1990

What the hell? No, that's NOT the next question.

When people are dissatisfied with a game, they suggest the makers do something to improve the game, or move onto something else. They don't necessarily make their own game.

Dissatisfied with a restaurant? Complain to the owners for compensation, or have food somewhere else. Not start their own restaurant.

And so on. Extend this line of thought to every product/service in existence. The answer isn't simply "make your own".

The fault, again, lies not with us, therefore there ISN'T a need to improve ourselves. It's like you're asking every person to strive for perfection in all fields of life. Be some super-successful everyman. That's not reality. If everyone could make their own thing, there'd be no point to a business.

Nutaku "fixed" assists 1.5 months after the first shitstorm at 2nd EG (at 3rd EG) and they RECENTLY "fixed" the N cards fiasco in event gacha, which is even older than those claims (the Shuri Tsutsui fiasco).

Seems close to your point but one issue, those claims was correctly funded. Shitstorms about the medal campaign after 4th EG ended with a worse result, they keep the short time to obtain cards and technically still impossible for a free user or casual casher to get limited cards, because they claimed about the cost of cards, not availability.

Now they repeated the same fiasco with Airu card (campaign released after xmas instead to be in line with current event and again, by a short time).

So, users influx on the behavior of a business.