Affection Should Be Reworked

Well I defend it because I dont have problem with it (yes I would be happy if I can max 3 stars on one girl every day by spending 100k in the shop so I can see her scenes faster but in the same way I would love to get event girls without spending kobans) ... It can be problem now since we are in event and we get 3k or 6k from bosses that drop event girls ... but after that you will be able to farm 500k from boss fights alone and more from your harem (depending on number of girls ... I have 61 girls and my max is now at 118k since I didnt max all girls) so with collecting every 2 or 3 hours you can get more ... and 1M a day will let you upgrade girls in not that long time compared to what you would need before while waiting for shop refresh (and again ... after 2.0 I got lot of girls at the same time so that is why now I dont have any cash at hand ... in one or two weeks or one month at max I will max stars on all of them and will be able to save money for next girl so I am able to max her in one day thx to new affection update)

And btw those numbers are if I take it easy and dont farm all day long

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Originally Posted by Frelas

7 hours playing and only 306 affection?, for my 3star i need 6000 affection which means i need to play 140 hours for one star(without buying from the market) The value of those affection items is totally irrelevant because the affection items have overinflated prices


If i would buy it all on the market it would cost me 2,5 million just for one 3rd star.
I'm amazed how many people in this thread still defend these absurd prices

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And what exactly makes the prices absurd? Don't get me wrong, the prices are not ideal right now, but they aren't absurd either. Your income goes up with each girl, making it easier to earn any specific amount of money. With the growing price, the price you pay is no longer a price of money, but a price of "time spent". The price of 2,5 million is no more absurd than it is to upgrade Bunny as your very first girl, because the amount of time you need to spend in order to get the money to get her to three stars is still comparable to what you need to spend to get your latest girl to three stars. The time spent to upgrade a girl does grow, but at a much slower pace, and it goes up slower and slower the more girls you get.

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Originally Posted by soviras

So you want to say that the cost is the bigger issue when compared to affection being short in supply? The costs that you can manage to pay off in a matter of days worth of active playing? You do realize that it could take months to get enough gifts, right? Months, as opposed to the days that it would take to gain the money you need for the same upgrade...

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What I meant was that upgrade cost in affection points and their cash value plus cash for upgrades themselves is the main issue here. The affection point acquisition gating was created by that high cost, cause it was so high that what you could get per day in market/etc became the next even scarier gate. The fact that people started getting more cash on higher levels thx to selling free items made it worse.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying affection in market wasn't an issue. But how you paint the picture kinda rubs me the wrong way.

70th girl costs total of 8m3 cash, 2m upgrades and rest in 15k affection points.

You could get the affection points before this update in less than 15 days if you gone for PvP, a bit slower if you didn't do PvP a lot.

With a 70 girl harem you can get around 100k/h from baby-sitting level of active collecting, and best troll gives around 60k/h. Thats 160k/h which means you would need nearly 52h of playing which is 6.5 days if you play 8h a day and less than 3 only if you play more than 16h a day. If you play less hours? Or just collect once per 2h and/or fight event trolls for example? Then you get <70k/h from that harem, and <20k/h from trolls which is <90k/h. And thats 92 hours or 11.5 days with 8h a day. And so on, so on.

You could actually keep the 15 days time wise to get affection points and play so inactively in cash side of things you would actually maybe even require more days.

So its not days to months, its 3 days in perfect active playing on just cash side with around 16h/day or more vs 15 days in just paying attention to level up after you bought up market after normal reset to level-up reset it again instantly on affection buying side.

As a personal note, cause you seem to like to use yourself as a example: I have 67 girls now, I do even trolls only now, and I collect harem on a semi-active state, as in more often than 2h but not stay there all the damn time. Its 2nd day of the update being live and I didn't even manage to go from 2* to 3* on a single girl. And she was 30% done already from my stored gifts. I maybe would get her to 3* if I didn't buy-out books, but still from my perspective maxing out a girl in <3 days is bullshit, especially if you collect once per 2h and do event trolls.

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Just so we all get on the same page. I don't say that this update is bad. Neither I say game was fine without it. Nor I even say that its bad with it. Having some small goals of upgrading new girls is fine. Thou it kinda annoys me a bit, cause before 2.0 hit I was maxed on stats, and thus could play less to keep being maxed, and now its back to farmin ;]

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Originally Posted by Eversor86

I wont lie. I do want to bring a bit of negativity here. Cause people suger coat devs like you, and it gives me diabetes.

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Dude, you can't be serious. You want to bring negativity because some people bring positivity? That sounds so... sick?! O_o

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Originally Posted by Eversor86

If a small kinda incoherent dev team (as in from what people told me every one of them is only good in one field, and has no clue about other people fields, they don't have anyone with good management skills so they often wait one for another, etc.) tells you they care first for core players, you can basically read it as they care only about them.

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That's a very personal interpretation here. Can we stick to statements and facts instead of twisted interpretation? They said they care for both casual ("core") and more dedicated players. That's enough for me. Or you think they are lying?

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Originally Posted by Eversor86

Personally I will wait for PvP update. It will let me confirm how full of shit or not devs are (as in were the 2.0 changes really necessary for future updates). And then quit or not game depending on the update/game state/future.

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hmm... as far as i know, the 2.0 changes are not especially necessary for the PvP update but for new features that will come later on. They have some interesting ideas for the harem, among other things...

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Originally Posted by Eversor86

Around 70th girl requires around 15k affection points. Which is 6.2 millions cash. Plus nearly 2 millions for upgrades themselves. You can get probably at most 120k cash/h if you work on your harem collecting. You can't even do 15k cash/h from event trolls. You would need to play like 16+ hours a day to be able to level one girl to 3* in less than 3 days. I wont say its impossible, but for most people thou that time will be far, far longer.

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You possibly have some limitations i'm not aware of that make you unable to play whenever you want, but in my case, I have 75 girls and make around 1,9 M per day without playing more than 20 minutes (i think i mentionned 1,5M somewhere else, but in meantime, i double checked my numbers). That's quite far from the 16+ hours a day you mention.

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Originally Posted by Tristelune

Dude, you can't be serious. You want to bring negativity because some people bring positivity? That sounds so... sick?! O_o

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No. You over-interpret the situation. I want people to see the whole picture not only the sugar-coated bubbly positive one.

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Originally Posted by Tristelune

That's a very personal interpretation here. Can we stick to statements and facts instead of twisted interpretation? They said they care for both casual ("core") and more dedicated players. That's enough for me. Or you think they are lying?

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Them saying they care for all is enough for you. Not for me. Lets end this kinda off-topic thing at that.

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Originally Posted by Tristelune

hmm... as far as i know, the 2.0 changes are not especially necessary for the PvP update but for new features that will come later on. They have some interesting ideas for the harem, among other things...

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Kaos actually himself used PvP as example of why the 2.0 changes were necessary. Supposedly before 2.0 the only way they could incentivize people to play PvP would be to add girl drops to it, and now they can do other things (like this update affection items). I personally don't talk/read discord or blog nearly at all, so I don't know any of their ideas. Will discus them when they hit live - so we will see?

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Originally Posted by Tristelune

You possibly have some limitations i'm not aware of that make you unable to play whenever you want, but in my case, I have 75 girls and make around 1,9 M per day without playing more than 20 minutes (i think i mentionned 1,5M somewhere else, but in meantime, i double checked my numbers). That's quite far from the 16+ hours a day you mention.

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The only way I can imagine you making 1M9 a day in 20 minutes a day is if you calculate exact time when you actually have game opened. Thats not what we talk here about. If we say you need 12h a day of collecting harem, we mean you need 12h worth of time of waiting for CDs to recollect. It doesn't matter for this conversation if it takes you only actually 20 minutes of clicking things a day. Also baby-sitting harem means you click when ever a girl is ready to collect, thats far far more than 20 minutes a day.

Anyway with 1M9 a day you still need 4+ days to upgrade the example girl which is more than <3 days mentioned, so what I said stays true ;].

Personally I probably don't get much less than you per day. And 2 days of <1M9 cash gain per day, is up to 9k1 affection points, which is not enough to take 70th girl from 2* to 3*, so I didn't lie here either.

So no clue why are you so confused by what I said hehe.

I did some number crunching (the old fashioned way) earlier today. Unless I made a mistake or forgot some important aspect of the game, the numbers seem to match up, in the sense that the time it takes to earn the cash needed to level up a girl (This includes both affection point cost and the upgrade cost) from 0 stars to 3 stars stay more or less the same no matter how many haramettes you have.

(Disclaimer: I didn't use the exact values of earnings but a single rounded up figure for all the girls, ignored the income from trolls/pvp, and I assumed that the formulae for affection point calulation haven't changed after the new patch.)


And also yes, with the 8 hour refresh time and the new legendary items, you can get the gifts you need faster than before. For example, if you need 15k affection points (which means you have more than enough girls in the harem to get the legendary items) and you just want to use legendary panties, you need just 10 of them. Even if only of them shows up with each refresh, you can get 10 in 80 hours. Before the patch the best item was the green panties with gave 100 points each, so you needed 150 of those. And even if all 8 slots in the shop we green panties (which never happens) you'd still have to have gone through 19 refreshes to gather all of them, and with the 12 hour refresh rate it would have taken roughly 10 days.


However, some things you need to keep in mind:

1. You won't feel like you're saving up any money because you'll be using up all you earn on getting the haramettes to 3 stars.
2. If you don't really need them, you should try to fight the urge to buy everything in the shop every time it refreshes.
3. The only time you'll be able to save some cash is when you're done raising the affection levels.
4. The number of affection points a girl needs to raise the affection level seems to be dependent on the number assigned to her in the harem, not by the total number of girls you have in the harem. (Or it depends on the number of 3 star girls already in the harem. <- Someone needs to check this.)

I was thinking for withdrawing my earlier suggestion to have the incomes increased by a percentage that goes up with the number of haramettes you have, but then I remembered the cash we have to spend on increasing our stats. With 150 stat points to add per level gained, it soon becomes quite expensive to max them. And we gain at least 1 level a day just by completing the daily missions. Yes, there's no use in maxing them out at the moment, but still sooner or later there will be some change to the game and we will have to max them out. Some extra cash would come in handy at that point.