Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Amak

Question: Do the new twice-a-day Gold/Gem quest thing replace the current 30 minute specific time Gem Quests? (meaning bye-bye to the endless gem farming)?

No, they are fixed bonus runs.

Originally Posted by Amak

Question: Do the new twice-a-day Gold/Gem quest thing replace the current 30 minute specific time Gem Quests? (meaning bye-bye to the endless gem farming)?

it's a different quest, just 2 more runs anytime. I'm waiting so much DMM gem gacha with no white garbage and 1+15 x10 runs per day so you don't need to grind a gems because those 2 missions already give you 13 k from 15 needed.

The question is whether that reduces the amount of +1s you can get though.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The question is whether that reduces the amount of +1s you can get though.

+1s from gemcha only come from R stuff, so the question then directs to if the number of R weapons/eidolons you can pull is reduced... but I don't have the drop rates.

I'm kinda questioning whether I can sustain some patience and pull the fuck out of 1 pull gemcha in the future...

did they add something to the daiy log in rewards?

funny how something i see everyday i cant even remember

Originally Posted by Unregistered

did they add something to the daiy log in rewards?

funny how something i see everyday i cant even remember

They didn't, as far as I can tell. All they did was reskin some of the item backgrounds, like gold for premium ticket and jewels, bronze for gems, etc.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The question is whether that reduces the amount of +1s you can get though.

DMM patch notes specifically said this (no idea why some charactes are breaking here, but it's under 2018/03/30 patch notes, second + mark):

Originally Posted by DMM patch notes

【調整方針について】
今回の変更によりガチャを1日に引け� ��回数は減少しておりますが、
レアリティ「R」のウェポン、ハーフ� ��リクサー、エナジーシードについて
1日の総獲得数に影響の無いように排� ��率を調整させていただいております 。
また、ボーナスポイント付きの装備� �排出される確率についても
同様に調整をさせていただいており� �す。

Which roughly translates into:

Originally Posted by Slashley translation

Concerning changes in gacha
With these changes, the amount of pulls a player can do each day has been reduced, however, the rarity of R weapon, half-elixir, energy seeds drop-rates have been adjusted so that there would be no change. Also, equipment that gives bonus points has been adjusted in the same way.

I have no idea why they said "equipment" (装備) for the bonus points, I assume that's just shorthand to include both weapons and Eidolons.
EDIT: Oh hey, レアリティ is rarity, not reality. My bad.

tl;dr; there should be no change in drop rates for anything that you care about. Assuming DMM did the maths right.

Speaking of maths... in the name of truth, I think there's something that I need to address since it seems apparent that nobody else picked it up.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

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As for off-element stuff.. no, I won't even bother. Who are we kidding even? Just nope.

Originally Posted by Tanaka5

There is no cure for stupidity. I was thinking of refuting his points too considering that I will be saving for that Gacha myself (But for Thunder Aphro and not Light Nike despite Light being my preferred element over Thunder). But when he compared them to 100% Eidos and said Light Nike > Managarmr, I gave up.

When you add ignorance to stupidity, it gets worse.

Maths don't lie, mates. Don't like it? Prove it wrong.

Which honestly shouldn't have been difficult. Since people who use maths do lie. In other words, this:

Originally Posted by Slashley

Outside of Light teams? She's a 24% damage increase. So, even when outside of her element, Light Nike will eventually add a P2W Eidolon to your team.

Was bullshit!

While Light Nike is stronger than on-element Hime, the actual number is lower. Around 14% is more correct - still a substantial upgrade over any on-element Hime, but not quite P2W Eidolon level.

So, let's go over that 14%.
Light Nike brings 180% Assault to 300% Assault, so 4 (100% base + Light Nike's buff + weapons) / 2.8 (100% base + weapons) = ~1.428
Because we can disregard Light Nike doing ANY damage off-element, you have 4 Hime (well, 3 Hime + Soul) dealing damage. So 4 Hime * 1.428 = 5.714 damage output.
5.714 / 5 (which would be the normal amount of damage you'd get with five on-element Hime) = 1.142
Thus, ~14% increase. Of course, we have to remember that at the very earliest, this applies on turn 11. Content doesn't take you that long? Don't bring Light Nike.

Of course, this number can be mathematically challenged fairly easily. For example, this calculation entirely ignores damage caps (pre-Light Nike 700k burst hitters would hit damage cap with Light Nike) or damage skills used by the potential fifth party member. Please do challenge it - I'd love to go through the subject more thoroughly.

But I'm not expecting much. It is truly sad that there are pretty much no more mathematically inclined people left.

This has annoyed me for a long time, for example when I said that at... uh, was it 84 AP? You hit the point where you can infinitely pot for Gem Quests and get your pots back. I did those maths very quickly, very poorly and with assumptions I shouldn't have made. I thought that people would call me out and ask how I reached that conclusion - but nobody did. People just took it for gospel. So is 84 AP the right number? I don't know. My pot count seems to be going up when I'm not spending them outside of Gem Quests, so the number should be below 107 AP. As such, I don't really care.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

The question is whether that reduces the amount of +1s you can get though.

i guess that you will have even more +1 in new gacha (+1 eydo - definitely much more)

Originally Posted by Cobblemaniac

+1s from gemcha only come from R stuff, so the question then directs to if the number of R weapons/eidolons you can pull is reduced... but I don't have the drop rates.

I'm kinda questioning whether I can sustain some patience and pull the fuck out of 1 pull gemcha in the future...

No, exp fodder weapons/eydos can be +1 in new gacha too.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Compress

Reality is... likely rarity in our english version, if the patterns I've seen from reading the gacha pages are correct.

Now, I don't know if the light Nike vs thunder Aphro argument is still ongoing. But do allow me to simply say this:

Light Nike advocates are constantly coming up with evidence to support light Nike. Thunder Aphro advocates are constantly coming up with evidence to support thunder Aphro. Both sides need to chill, and actually weigh things neutrally without feeding their own confirmation bias too much. I take no sides, but some of you guys are getting too riled up about this.

Originally Posted by Mraktar

No, exp fodder weapons/eydos can be +1 in new gacha too.

Well technically they're R stuff too

I guess I forgot to include the SR fodder.

Edit: Oh, and btw... editing your posts instead of double posting helps clean up the forum threads a bit more. Just a little extra PSA.