Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by Slashley

Light Nike's team-wide damage output drops from 46% to 24% when she's off-element.

It's been bugging me for a while, but where exactly do you get these numbers from? (I know, from the all-praised toolbox, so the question turns to how you get them.)
Unlike Aphro's vigor buff, which is a straight multiplier to your dmg, Nike's buff goes to assault bracket, so the performance highly depends on what grid you use, what eidos you use & what buffs you got in-battle. These will obviously change through time, so I don't really see how you even get these numbers, in fact it feels like you just throw random values.

DMM meta is going fast & going hard. A slowly up-building buff barely has any use in that. And that's all what Nike really does, or alternatively go for 2nd full burst aaaaat.. what? The 11th turn? Well, wow. Meta light team already bursted two times at least by then and getting ready for the 3rd. Nike certainly looks nice if you have a look at her alone. But the thing is that she just simply doesn't fit to light team with Michael AW and co.

As for off-element stuff.. no, I won't even bother. Who are we kidding even? Just nope.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

It's been bugging me for a while, but where exactly do you get these numbers from? (I know, from the all-praised toolbox, so the question turns to how you get them.)

I did say it in one of the posts, the first one that started listing numbers. That's assuming 180% Assault grid, so 10x FLB Assault weapons averaging at 3% base each. Chances are you're using 9x, since Relic weapons, so 5x 6% base FLBs and 4x 0% FLBs for example. If your grid is less than 180%, then Light Nike numbers are even higher. I've been trying to purposedly trying rig the numbers AGAINST Light Nike (as I doubt that 180% Assault is realistic outside of whales, though 189% is the max as far as I know), but maybe you can tell me if I succeeded in that or not.

Because yes. 120% Assault is absolutely absurdly high number and will boost your damage output past the heavens. Want to confirm that?
Play around in Sanathlig's Const Effects calculator. Technically, my damage calc can also do it, but since it doesn't have a comparison, I doubt it'll be as illuminative.

Originally Posted by nonsensei

--so the performance highly depends on -- what eidos you use & what buffs you got in-battle.--

Umm, no. Eidolons won't have any effect, because Character Attack Eidolons can be outright disregarded when Light Nike comes into question. Again, on the caveat that DMM won't introduce 150%+ Character Attack P2W Eidolons. When you don't need to choose between two different modifiers, all you need to do is compare the same modifier before and after. 180% Assault vs. 300% Assault? 43% increase.
... oh shit, that's not 46%. Oh well, close enough.

Buffs? Well, that CAN affect it, true. But... uh. Not by much. At least, I doubt it. Buffs in Kamihime tend to be rather weak, though some self-buffer Hime are very powerful. I think the closest one would be Svarog, but even she shouldn't really throw those numbers horrendously off. Prove me wrong?

Originally Posted by nonsensei

DMM meta is going fast & going hard. A slowly up-building buff barely has any use in that. And that's all what Nike really does, or alternatively go for 2nd full burst aaaaat.. what? The 11th turn? Well, wow. Meta light team already bursted two times at least by then and getting ready for the 3rd. Nike certainly looks nice if you have a look at her alone. But the thing is that she just simply doesn't fit to light team with Michael AW and co.

And that's all fine and all. But it won't compare to the damage output that Nike will help them reach - in a long fight. If there's no need for a long fight? Fair enough.

Did you get your brain replaced with your benis or what?

@nonsensei

Yamete.

There is no cure for stupidity. I was thinking of refuting his points too considering that I will be saving for that Gacha myself (But for Thunder Aphro and not Light Nike despite Light being my preferred element over Thunder). But when he compared them to 100% Eidos and said Light Nike > Managarmr, I gave up.

When you add ignorance to stupidity, it gets worse.

Dakara...yamete kudasai.

So it all comes down to that you hype this unit for its potential which will probably never gonna be able to shine, judging from the content of past more than 2 years.
Hmm... I feel enlightened.

So the general consensus is that light nike is trash except in slashley's perfect invented scenarios, fair enough, called it, lets make up scenarios to make light nike look good then.