Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Indeed, let's end this discussion, because it won't bring anything conclusive. First please inform yourself in topic you're talking about, because you clearly have no idea about it.

ok honey buns

also, ditto

Originally Posted by Kitty

um? you do realize liking porn pictures of underage 2d girls makes you a pedophile too, right? you can't justify that or make excuses on their behalf. they deserve no sympathy or respect. it's not a disorder, it's a disgusting habit and yeah i understand that it's probably not a crime in third-world countries such as the philipines or literally anywhere in asia/africa. making excuses like that is sympathizing with degenerate scumbags.

That's just like, your opinion, maaaaan.

And if 2d pictures of underages girls (that don't exist) is a crime, then so is murder of 2d pictures (that don't exist). You're slaughtering hundreds of living things in Kamihime every day. Making excuses for cold-blooded murderers is sympathizing with degenerate scumbags.

gasp oh noes i had no idea thanks for opening my eyes with this wise knowledge slashley sama how could i have been so foolish as to think child porn is a crime O:


anyway, rather than keep replying and bringing this shit back up maybe we could yknow stay on topic harhar

Originally Posted by Kitty

gasp oh noes i had no idea thanks for opening my eyes with this wise knowledge slashley sama how could i have been so foolish as to think child porn is a crime O:

Child porn is a crime in most parts of the world.

There are isolated cases of imaginary, drawn child porn being convicted, but that is not the norm at all.

Originally Posted by Itoshira

Here is the thing with Tierlists in a game where the powergap between players can reach from 1 - 1000.

Depending on content and own equipment, a hime can rise from B-Tier to S-Tier. In the same instant, a hime can also drop from S-Tier to B-Tier. Circumstances are a major factor when choosing something for your team. Not even including used Soul, cause then it goes even further down the wormhole of debate.
If we talk about players that are starting out, then hime like Berith, Metatron, Uriel for example are most certainly not something they should aim for. Yes, these are power houses, no doubt, but a player that doesnt even has a grid yet cant even let those go bonkers. While a Hime like Sol, Seth, Gaia would help him out much much more to clear content.
Another example would be, if you are a super strong player. You are rocking 70k avg. power on your homescreen, hell, you can nearly do what you want. People even use souls like Sieg and Solomon to clear their stuff in mere minutes if not even 1-3 turns, because they are that strong, they dont need protection. They only need power and more power. Not even mentioning AAB against disadvantage element.

What in the end matters is, if you consider giving a general advise, what hime covers a major need of skillseffect for most content. Based on that fundament a list can be made and can serve as a general rule of thumb what to lookout for. It can be split into Beginner-, Advanced- and Veteran-player. Below you could also throw in a list for specific Hime for certain content, for those that have to many and wanna optimize content.

I agree with a lot of what is said here. It's certainly true that himes like Sol AW and Gaia AW will bring up the overall power of beginners much faster than an "advanced" player as you call them. It is also true that Sol AW will be an absolutely necessity for comfortably clearing the current and upcoming Dark Ragnarok's. Having a tier list for "Beginner, Advanced, and Veteran players" also reminds me of the old Granblue Fantasy Gaijins Tier List, which unfortunately has been discontinued. Regardless of its validity, I really like its format, and I'd link it if I was allowed to post links.

The other thing I'd say that people don't consider is how good a team will be leading up to its creation. When prioritizing hime, it's important to consider not only what himes are most functional by themselves but also how strong they are in conjunction with previously obtained, higher priority hime.

hey everyone I'm still relatively new to the game and currently sitting at rank 53 - few questions:

1. Is the only good experience at this point doing exp cave on expert twice a day (and spamming it Sunday's)? I don't mean to complain since this is a very grindy game by nature, but would love to know more efficient leveling if it's available.
   
2. What's the difference between buffs like "attack up" vs "ability damage up" vs "water element damage up"? I'm under the impression that attack refers to general attack and ability damage up is abilities (duh) - is elemental damage just all damage source from a character of that element? Do burst attacks benefit from any of them? On a similar note, do defense down debuffs only amplify damage from basic attacks are also from abilities and whatnot? Where does damage from eidolon summons fall on all of this?
   

Originally Posted by Mirai

hey everyone I'm still relatively new to the game and currently sitting at rank 53 - few questions:

1. Is the only good experience at this point doing exp cave on expert twice a day (and spamming it Sunday's)? I don't mean to complain since this is a very grindy game by nature, but would love to know more efficient leveling if it's available.
   
2. What's the difference between buffs like "attack up" vs "ability damage up" vs "water element damage up"? I'm under the impression that attack refers to general attack and ability damage up is abilities (duh) - is elemental damage just all damage source from a character of that element? Do burst attacks benefit from any of them? On a similar note, do defense down debuffs only amplify damage from basic attacks are also from abilities and whatnot? Where does damage from eidolon summons fall on all of this?
   

1. Overall, no, not really. Exp Cave is kinda the best to rank up. As long as you keep on doing stuff like Raids, Events and some SP Quests, you will rank up over time on a regular basis. Being Rank 53, you kinda hit the area where ranking up slows down, so this is natural.
   
2. You are on the right path there.
   
   • Attack up. It affects everything that deals damage from the character. Therefore Attack up increases your overall damage.
   • Ability Damage up on the other hand only affects Damage from Abilities.
   • X Element damage up is as you already thought, the overall damage increase from characters of that element. There is just one major difference - Elemental Attack is a multiplier in the damage calculation that also affects Character Attack, therefore it has a higher value in terms of increasing damage.
   • Defense Down effects increase basically every damage you deal, regardless of it's source (only exception are certain abilities that deal a certain amount of damage).
   • Eidolon Summons are not affected by your characters stats as they have their own stats which is the source of their damage.

1. That's more or less the case, yes.

2. So, the damage you deal. Natural questions since the game does jack to explain anything about this.
For the most part, damage calculation centers around calculating your normal attack damage; that is, the damage of one regular hit. Ability damage is derived from normal attack damage. Burst damage is derived from normal attack damage. Eidolon summon damage is... so insignificant that nobody ever bothered to figure that out.

Fundamentally, normal attack damage is your base atk multiplied by a bunch of other stuff.
The current version of the forumula is:
Base atk * (1 + sum of Character atk stuff) * (1 + sum of Element stuff) * (1 + sum of Vigor type stuff) * (1 + sum of Special type stuff) * (1 + Crit stuff) * (1 + sum of you_getting_atk_debuffed) * (1 + union guardian buff) * (1 + Other_Buffs) / {enemy_defense * (1 + sum of enemy defense buffs and debuffs)}

Generally speaking, things that just say 'attack up' or something like fall under Character atk.
Elemental advantage/disadvantage goes into Element
Other_Buffs is basically a miscellaneous catch all until things get sorted out later. For now, it's things like berserk and the extra damage against stunned/raging enemies stuff.
The vast majority of enemies have 10 defense.

Once you figure out roughly how strong a single normal hit is, ability and burst are simple.

Ability damage is fundamentally normal attack damage * multiplier * number of hits.
Where do ability damage buffs go? They just directly add onto the multiplier. Since they go there, they really benefit a lot from a high number of hits, but are really bad when your abilities only add up to a few hits.

Burst damage is fundamentally {normal attack damage * (multiplier + burst damage buffs) + small_constant} / hits} * hits
Multiplier and the small_constant are based on rarity and whether or not you got it limit broken to 3*
The dividing and multiplying by hits is largely cosmetic for the most part, although apparently later changes to how crits work make that relevant?

ayyy finally just awakened my first girl on DMM, only been playin there for 3 months and already got 3 eyes lol... uriel and ssr diana dupes, and collected from shards... annnnd awakened uriel.. 2 mins later draw single jew gacha > azazel

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