Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

There is no point wasting orbs in the eido store on any other eidos besides the kaisers. The kaisers have the best on-use summon of any eido, and that's the main reason why it's beneficial to have that for every element (or at the very least, the ones you use). Some people might advise you to first get something like another MLB tiamat for your eido grid stats, but eido orbs for kaisers are already slow enough to farm as it stands, that ultimately all you're doing is delaying yourself from acquiring the kaisers even longer.

People like me.


Having a Kaiser is like a cherry on top of your cake. There's little point in having a cherry without a cake. In other words - get your basics into shape first. Veterans often don't really grasp just how useful main Eidolons are for newer players, since all of us got them from events we ran ages ago.

With Belial, for all non-Water content you'll probably just run Fire. I guess that pretty much only means a good Thunder main Eidolon. Either Ygg for HP with Kirin friends, or Amaru if you don't want to rely on finding Kirin friends. In addition, MLB Tiamat is basically the best thing you can have in all your Grids, so buying an element-specific Kaiser doesn't make much sense to me before your Tiamat is up and running. Once it's time to buy a Kaiser though, I'd certainly buy a Fire one first to compliment your Belial team.

Originally Posted by Zev

Sorry, idiot warning..
I'm like level 50 and still havent gotten past desert of main story. Other than jewels, are there any perks to completing it?

Once you have SR Cybele, not really. Unless you want SR Baal, who would be somewhat useful for the upcoming Water tower, I guess.

Originally Posted by Slashley

People like me.


Having a Kaiser is like a cherry on top of your cake. There's little point in having a cherry without a cake. In other words - get your basics into shape first. Veterans often don't really grasp just how useful main Eidolons are for newer players, since all of us got them from events we ran ages ago.

With Belial, for all non-Water content you'll probably just run Fire. I guess that pretty much only means a good Thunder main Eidolon. Either Ygg for HP with Kirin friends, or Amaru if you don't want to rely on finding Kirin friends. In addition, MLB Tiamat is basically the best thing you can have in all your Grids, so buying an element-specific Kaiser doesn't make much sense to me before your Tiamat is up and running. Once it's time to buy a Kaiser though, I'd certainly buy a Fire one first to compliment your Belial team.

Unfortunately, my fire comp is garbage (with only Dakki as SSR) and my grid is somewhat lackluster. My main 2 by far are water and wind (both have full SSR comp), which my dark comp being pretty good (Thanatos, Satan, Hades, Pluto, Amon), but grid still needing work. I was thinking of just getting the dark kaiser as my dark comp is solid just need more decent weapons for my grid which will come with time, but my light grid is really nice just lacking SSRs (only have michael and arty). So in other words, everything but my water and wind grid are missing something pretty important that I can't just instantly fix, and I already have water and wind kaiser dragoons from jewel pulls >_<. You still think it's worth going for fire over dark/light with only dakki in my comp? I mean yea belial is nice ofc, and with d'art soul weapon giving me -50% def I do decent damage, but the comp is just not there to support it (running d'art, themis, kagutsuchi, dakki, and agni for reference).

Originally Posted by Saeleyna

Unfortunately, my fire comp is garbage --

For Fire, a good team is always just one Miracle Ticket away. If that's not an option, well, good luck.

The difference that Belial makes should still make Fire a good option though.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Damage cut lasts for set number of attacks, 25 iirc. So no, technically he doesn't wait it out.

Oh, fair enough.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

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He's Light main, so his grid is probably on whole another level. I think that you would hit slightly higher FB with your team, if you'd enhance all your weapons to max slvl.

... my Grids have been max slvl for months. With the exception of Light Herc Axe, which isn't a priority in the slightest as my Light team is complete garbage anyway. My Grids and elemental stats are public in the damage calc.

So, since you can just casually do so much damage, what kind of numbers are you pulling in your strongest teams?

Originally Posted by LeCrestfallen

his grid is posted in the vid below, its basicly every light event weapon flb and +99.
No gacha weapons/himeless weapons in the grid. basicly stuff everyone that played from the beginning would have (except maybe for a second copy of the gun, which just shows his willingness to grind another mlb copy).

Yes, his weapon grid. And a screenshot of it, not shown in the actual video. Well, chances are it's shown in other videos. Point is, it raises question of just how much higher his Eidolons are.

Now you are just going in circles, you can see his eidos in the fight, Lolimoth as main eido, God kaiser, sphinx, barong, yule goat, St.Nick, and friend fluffy.
Lolimoth stats are mediocre, as main eido it can not give more than 50% Light atk. Regular atk value is also below 2k. Only eido that i can not identify the limit break of.
God kaiser is 2stars, rest are event eidos mlb. and Fluffy from friend was seen at the beginning with 0 limit breaks.
His eidos are not higher than what a regular long term f2p player would have.

Edit: lolimoth is shown at the beginning 45% lvl 85.

Originally Posted by Slashley

my Grids have been max slvl for months.

I was talking about your water grid, if I understand correctly you still don't have second Sloth scythe FLBed and your Rahab Knife is not FLBed too.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

I was talking about your water grid, if I understand correctly you still don't have second Sloth scythe FLBed and your Rahab Knife is not FLBed too.

Correct. Neither Rahab Knife. All in good time though, Oris are a problem and Water won't be the team running Water Tower F15.

Even if they were, the increase in Assault would be 15%. That's less damage increase than Arthur's Assault buff.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Even if they were, the increase in Assault would be 15%. That's less damage increase than Arthur's Assault buff.

Which lasts 3 turns. While the former persists permanently through all content and battles, without also requiring the use of a sub-par soul or occupying up an ex-slot. So that seems like a pretty silly comparison to me.
And I guess we won't mention that max lvl FLBs also further add to the atk/hp stats of your team besides just the skill bonuses they give.

In the end, it's all about min-max'ing. If someone else does it, but you don't, you can't then compare yourself to those that do and expect to beat them now can you?

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

Which lasts 3 turns. While the former persists permanently through all content and battles, without also requiring the use of a sub-par soul or occupying up an ex-slot. So that seems like a pretty silly comparison to me.

Or I can just slap Shiva in there and gain it for the full burst, then hope for a 4x Crit proc. Then I'd probably just barely beat him, despite having Fenrir burst memes.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

And I guess we won't mention that max lvl FLBs also further add to the atk/hp stats of your team besides just the skill bonuses they give.

Ah yes, the enormous increase in base stats. Level 125 -> 150 is 10% more Atk to that weapon. That means that I'm missing 669 Atk from those three missing FLBs. That's ~1.5% more damage that'd gain to my ~49k Atk Water team.

That does stack with the ~9% increase that I'd get from the Assault, so we're looking at ~11% more damage in total. And he's beating my damage by 20% (Asherah's Crits) plus what I'm getting from Fenrir.

Originally Posted by VeryVoodoo

In the end, it's all about min-max'ing. If someone else does it, but you don't, you can't then compare yourself to those that do and expect to beat them now can you?

Obviously I will, but it's a matter of time. Ori is capped to 10 per month, and I can't speed up that process in any way, now can I?
First things first - Water Tower F15 team will either be Wind or Dark, and all Ori will be spent on that team.