Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

I think three roads are open for you:
Uriel (Fire), Michael (Light), SSR Baal(/Mammon) Thunder.

Light goes full retard later this year, so that's the most futureproof one.

So I'm currently nearing full assault (SSR and SR) weapon grids with near max assault on all weapons in my dark and light grids. I'm trying to figure out what is the next 'level' of SSR weapons I should be working to use to incorporate into my grid.

What other secondary skills (besides a couple of defenders) does everyone want in their weapon grid and what options should we be looking to keep long term to create a phantom grid for light and dark. What would people recommend?


Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Dejnov

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What other secondary skills (besides a couple of defenders) does everyone want in their weapon grid and what options should we be looking to keep long term to create a phantom grid for light and dark. What would people recommend?

Defender, defender, defender and more defender. If you're actually reaching the Burst cap, then you need some Exceed. But usually, defender, defender, more defender. All other stats kind of suck, to be honest.

Assault is by far the best stat. Pride is the same shit in a different package.
Exceed is second, but only if you need higher cap.
Defender is always good for your health.
Vigor can be really good, but only if you stay healthy. It drops off if you take any damage. And it's also super rare.
Ascension can be alright, if you're running a healer. Are you running a healer?
Crit is weak. It's like, 1/5th the powerlevel of Assault, and only works with elemental advantage. It's nice to look at when it procs, but.
Elaborate is just trash. Damage caps are a thing, so the only real advantage on this is the increased cap. Which is really small, so not worth it at all.
Double and Triple seem extremely low in %.

Ultimately? You take whatever you're given. Since most of the time you have just a couple, select FLBs that you can take, so that's what you take.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Defender, defender, defender and more defender. If you're actually reaching the Burst cap, then you need some Exceed. But usually, defender, defender, more defender. All other stats kind of suck, to be honest.

Assault is by far the best stat. Pride is the same shit in a different package.
Exceed is second, but only if you need higher cap.
Defender is always good for your health.
Vigor can be really good, but only if you stay healthy. It drops off if you take any damage. And it's also super rare.
Ascension can be alright, if you're running a healer. Are you running a healer?
Crit is weak. It's like, 1/5th the powerlevel of Assault, and only works with elemental advantage. It's nice to look at when it procs, but.
Elaborate is just trash. Damage caps are a thing, so the only real advantage on this is the increased cap. Which is really small, so not worth it at all.
Double and Triple seem extremely low in %.

Ultimately? You take whatever you're given. Since most of the time you have just a couple, select FLBs that you can take, so that's what you take.

Exceed not only increase cap but also burst dmg

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Exceed not only increase cap but also burst dmg

It does, but not by an impressive amount. The cap is the impressive part.

A slvl30 Exceed(small) gives you 40% more burst. That might sound impressive, until you remember that the base for SSRs is 500%. With PF, 700%. Adding 40% to that is like 6% more damage. On burst only. If you're bursting every six turns, that's 1% more damage per turn. That's... not... particularly impressive for 30 skill levels.

Granted, burst damage is the way the meta is heading. Exceed lets you stack your burst damage from 700% all the way up to 1000% in theory which is pretty damn nice. But practically speaking... Exceed is mostly good for the cap increase. Or for R missions.

But again, you're just... gonna get Exceed naturally through Union events. For now. Too bad for those who are thinking about picking the game up around this time, since FUCK YOU DEMONS ARE GOING AWAY, and so are free Exceed weapons.

There's no need to worry too much about exceed sources. The Guardian Angel raids coming later have pretty decent exceed weapons for fire/wind/light with assault of pride as the other skill (none for thunder/dark, which I don't recommend starting in anyways, while water hasn't gotten their raid yet). It should be here by the time someone starting out now have to worry about burst caps.

Event SSR weapon-wise going forward for...

Light
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March: Nandi advent - Assault/Elaborate Hammer, Assault/Barrage Gun
May: Abou raid - Elaborate/Defender Bow
July: Pride - another Ascension stick and Exceed axe
September: Greed - Pride Staff and Pride Axe this time
November: Sphinx reprint - Hammer gets FLB to Assault (L)/Defender (S), new weapon is Stinger/Defender Staff
New Year's: Kinshi raid - Exceed/Defender Axe

Dark
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End of February/beginning of March: Greed - Envy Axe, Envy Hammer (more Defender or Exceed on FLB, yay)
May: Python - Assault/Defender Staff, Defender Gun
Late June: Delphyne raid - Assault Hammer
August: Envy - even more defender axe and exceed hammer
October: Grisaia collab - Assault Staff
Halloween: Cyaegha raid - Assault Glaive
End of December: Medusa reprint - Glaive gets FLB to Assault (S)/Defender (LS), new weapon is Pride/Barrage Axe
End of January/beginning of February: Dark Iwanagahime raid - Pride/Defender Glaive

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Event SSR weapon-wise going forward for...

Light
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March: Nandi advent - Assault/Elaborate Hammer, Assault/Barrage Gun both decent
May: Abou raid - Elaborate/Defender Bow meh
July: Pride - another Ascension stick and Exceed axe axe is great, stick is meh
September: Greed - Pride Staff and Pride Axe this time both decent
November: Sphinx reprint - Hammer gets FLB to Assault (L)/Defender (S), new weapon is Stinger/Defender Staff hammer looks great
New Year's: Kinshi raid - Exceed/Defender Axe meh

Dark
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End of February/beginning of March: Greed - Envy Axe, Envy Hammer (more Defender or Exceed on FLB, yay) both decent
May: Python - Assault/Defender Staff, Defender Gun great staff
Late June: Delphyne raid - Assault Hammer decent
August: Envy - even more defender axe and exceed hammer decent
October: Grisaia collab - Assault Staff decent
Halloween: Cyaegha raid - Assault Glaivedecent
End of December: Medusa reprint - Glaive gets FLB to Assault (S)/Defender (LS), new weapon is Pride/Barrage Axe great glaive
End of January/beginning of February: Dark Iwanagahime raid - Pride/Defender Glaive great glaive

For Light I'm seeing probably 5 decent weapons and 1 great weapon this year.
For Dark I'm seeing probably 7 decent weapons and 3 great weapons this year.


Since I already have 6 Assault SSRs in Dark, only a couple more to fill out the grid. For Light I only have 4 Assault SSRs so everything can probably be put to use.

Thanks for the year expectations!!

Dejnov.

Originally Posted by Slashley

Adding 40% to that is like 6% more damage. On burst only. If you're bursting every six turns, that's 1% more damage per turn.

Assuming that total damage you've done in those six turns is 6x FB damage, yes. Simplifying 40% burst damage bonus gives about 300-345% additional damage done when FBing.

Originally Posted by Slashley

DEMONS ARE GOING AWAY, and so are free Exceed weapons.

Not neccessarily.

Originally Posted by Gludateton

Assuming that total damage you've done in those six turns is 6x FB damage, yes. Simplifying 40% burst damage bonus gives about 300-345% additional damage done when FBing.

I don't understand what you're trying to get at. Any damage output stat will also increase damage done by bursts. Any burst damage done will also increase the damage of the full burst bonus. As such, any calculations like this would directly apply to other damage skills just as well.

Putting values into my calc, Wind team running at 148% Assault against Thunder, for damage/t 30 Exceed = 30 Crit = 17 Assault. All numbers include (small) base. If you're looking at burst damage only (which I guess you can argue for as peak damages are a thing for skipping phases), 30 Exceed = 54 Crit = 32 Assault. Vigor absolutely crushes these stats at 100% HP at skill level 1 (thanks to base), but again, Vigor has the problems of unavailability and unreliability.