Thread: Kamihime General Discussion + Q&A

Originally Posted by felix

with shiva i's day he doesnt really need a bit of extra dmg

Originally Posted by felix

Ok, i will admit, that 3 healers is a bit overkill

So thats what we are saying, what he needs more is debuff.

Gabriel will bring Def debuff and more ATK / DEF power.
Belphegor's debuff is better than Mordred's but she might never come from the gacha.
He doesnt have any dots, blind or dizziness (assuming he will replace Rusalka)

Mordred makes more sense, and Cassiopeia will do the job during lightning event. No reason to go for Andromeda first.

Originally Posted by Unregistered

Note that once we start getting raid events (next event's the first raid event, actually), Mordred runs into a potential complication. Should there be multiple Mordreds in a raid fight, the collection of debuffs won't stack. At best, I think that they just refresh the duration?

Thats true. For raid event, wiser choice would be Andromeda, but she doesnt bring any damage bonus for mvp. I wouldnt go for Arthur because of Shiva's buff (and other Arthur during raid anyway). So best choice for mvp would be Siegfried. But even then, if another Siegfried is faster than you and break the stun, you're screwed.
There is no perfect choice.

if you are getting Mordred just for the damage status effects, you are better off gettin arthur: atk buff, good damage skill and a burst on demand will probably do more damage over the course of battle than Mordred's debuffs. Mordred is only useful if you cant get atk/dmg debuff anywhere (cough, light element, cough). Between Gabriel and Ex skill he already has -def A-frame, -atk C frame and -def/atk B-frame. So thats basically half of Mordred's usefulness down the drain. might as well get Sieg or Arthur, since that will give him more damage than a few dots. dizzines ALWAYS have garbage success rate so nobody should ever rely on it, and blind is an easy status to get from summon. Im not sayin that Mordred is bad, im sayin that for this particular team Arthur or Sieg is better if you want more dmg, and Andromeda or Joan is better for defensive purposes. He does NOT need more debuffs. Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers. You only need def/atk debuffs, everything else is extra, and water team with Sol has both atk and def debuffs, so IMO no reason for Mordred.

Originally Posted by felix

if you are getting Mordred just for the damage status effects, you are better off gettin arthur: atk buff, good damage skill and a burst on demand will probably do more damage over the course of battle than Mordred's debuffs. Mordred is only useful if you cant get atk/dmg debuff anywhere (cough, light element, cough). Between Gabriel and Ex skill he already has -def A-frame, -atk C frame and -def/atk B-frame. So thats basically half of Mordred's usefulness down the drain. might as well get Sieg or Arthur, since that will give him more damage than a few dots. dizzines ALWAYS have garbage success rate so nobody should ever rely on it, and blind is an easy status to get from summon. Im not sayin that Mordred is bad, im sayin that for this particular team Arthur or Sieg is better if you want more dmg, and Andromeda or Joan is better for defensive purposes. He does NOT need more debuffs. Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers. You only need def/atk debuffs, everything else is extra, and water team with Sol has both atk and def debuffs, so IMO no reason for Mordred.

The main reason why I recommend Mordred is black propaganda. Giving boss that one more orb to fill is great thing. atk/def debuff is 10% that is true, but it stacks with sol atk debuff and gabriel def debuff just like you said. In my opinion the less dmg enemy can deal and the more you can deal to enemy then it's better for you. Besides Gabriel is 3 events away. (2 if you don't count typhon)

And if someone is worried about that there will be someone other with the same soul and you on't be able to use it fully (Mordred refresh debuffs so it's good enough for me) then just go Joan, Arthur, Solomon or Andromeda.

By the way, mind explaining "-def/atk B-frame" whose skill are you talking about? Because I don't see that he have anything like that.

Originally Posted by jazz154

By the way, mind explaining "-def/atk B-frame" whose skill are you talking about? Because I don't see that he have anything like that.

i am refering to EX ability that you can borrow from D'art line of heroes - snipe, that is atk/def B-frame debuff (20% to be exact, which is exactly the same as Amaterasu's, who is considered to be one of the best hime because of this skill) that is more powerful than mordred's
as for black propaganda... thats personal preference: ive never found it to be overly useful.

Originally Posted by felix

i am refering to EX ability that you can borrow from D'art line of heroes - snipe, that is atk/def B-frame debuff (20% to be exact, which is exactly the same as Amaterasu's, who is considered to be one of the best hime because of this skill) that is more powerful than mordred's
as for black propaganda... thats personal preference: ive never found it to be overly useful.

But what's the point of bringing up that? He doesn't have it. And that snipe is the reason why I recommended to go D'Artagnian. Although it won't do him any good if doesn't have a gun for D'Artagnian line since they can't use anything else. So going Mordred in that case would be better idea.

Originally Posted by jazz154

But what's the point of bringing up that? He doesn't have it. And that snipe is the reason why I recommended to go D'Artagnian. Although it won't do him any good if doesn't have a gun for D'Artagnian line since they can't use anything else. So going Mordred in that case would be better idea.

you dont need to go all the way to D'art. Granulae is enough to get pretty much same atk/def debuff that mordred would provide. And no, you dont go to D'art for the debuff, you ever go to D'art for the Snatch. That is the only reason why he is ever picked.

Originally Posted by felix

Gettin EVERY POSSIBLE debuff in game is as much of an overkill as gettin 3 healers

Why would it be? thats nonsense. You can have too much heal but how could you have too much debuff or damage? Actually he has 1 single debuff. Assuming he will get Gabriel thats 2 debuff and not a single dupe with Mordred. If she is not useful in this case, then when would she be? And we are just talking about one of her spells.
Getting Dart's debuff implies to spend 500sp just for it, so you would better go with Granuaile's debuff but its pretty much the same than getting Mordred + whatever you want on ex slot.
On raid boss, dots alone deal 15-20k damage every turn. I don't know how many atk power you have but none of my char does that much damage for sure.
You can rely on an Eidolon for blind but it means around 8 turns before you can apply it (since he wont start with apo or uroboros or whatever), which mean less damage mitigation.
I cant disagree with dizz success rate, but again, your better chance to apply it is after Mordred's resist debuff (which will also lower the chance to miss Sol's and Gabriel's debuff).

I'm sorry if it feels like i only swear by Mordred, cause i'm clearly not. But i'm running 2 teams like that. My main account is a light team with Sieg + Gawain debuff on ex slot, and sol + urania for atk debuff. The only damage buff i have is Michael's light buff for now.
Aside that i have the exact same team as he has with Mordred. I only use it to proc raid boss (i know its a shame) and i didnt even bother upgrade it, so crappy atk power, only one lb on Nike and 2 on Rusalka.
There is a huge ATK power difference between those two teams but in comparison, it feels way more comfortable with Mordred.
I also have a fire team with Andromeda and she can handle healing alone (ok Amateratsu helps a bit ^-^ ) , so using her with sol + nike? meh.
Again, thats my opinion, but if it was my team, i would unlock Mordred first for sure, then Sieg, and rely on Cassiopeia if you need extra healing (or even leave healing to sol alone, who cares?)

Anyway. Its late, i'm out now. Thx for the talk cya mate

Originally Posted by felix

you ever go to D'art for the Snatch

yeah, and even then i don't think it worth 500 sp

Originally Posted by Yolodesu

You can have too much heal (

nonsense: heals are capped, and best heals heal for 1.5k at most, and that is if you get an SSR. Right now that might be enough, but when enemies start hitting for 4k the entire team, id like to see you repeat that theres too much healing.

Going by that, the scaling for this game sounds like it's gonna be really unbalanced further in the game. I'm sure most players still haven't fully break limit'd their SR/SSR units but even when we get to that point, if things really do start hitting that hard, the lack of scaling healing mechanics sounds like it's gonna be an issue in this game to where it's gonna end up being an entire glass cannon game, kill before you are hit or die.

I'm also bothered by how we have skills that increase/reduce defense when the so called defense value isn't displayed in the game in first place. Gonna guess it's just some hidden value or all defense skills are just another damage multiplier (reduce/increase damage by X) instead of actual defense stat buff/debuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwB51eCyChs

one of the more recent videos of current DMM endgame. 1.5-2k dmg per normal attack from stage 2/3 is what im gettin hit when Typhoon manages to get off a raginf overdrive. However when you have 7-9k hp on everyone, you can take some beating. Also keep in mind that this is 1 year from where we are right now, and i beleive his total power is ~40k? dont quote me on that. And considering that we already have people with over 30k power, i assume that game scaling will slow down to a crawl (1k->30k in a month, but 30k->40k in 11 months?) So yeah, i wouldnt expect any difficulty jumps like garuda->typhoo, except maybe the introduction of Ragnarok difficulty and accessory thingy.